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The Gay Community's Contribution To Bringing Down The Duggars
Multiple | June 8, 2015

Posted on 06/08/2015 1:16:50 PM PDT by Pinkbell

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To: DiogenesLamp
I think it is a courtesy for a Judge to explain his order, not a requirement.

Correct. But it would be nice to know on what legal authority the judge based his decision. Thus far, he refuses to answer.

I think if they had such an order from a Judge, they needed to comply with it.

I think that was what the police thought, too. But it still does not mean the judge had the authority to issue the order. It sounds more like small-town politics to me.

41 posted on 06/08/2015 2:15:46 PM PDT by gdani (No sacred cows)
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To: RginTN
Nope, that’s you assuming such.

Well then how about you clarify your meaning? What is it that you mean when you use the term "molester"? In the vernacular, most people assume it means someone who rapes or sodomizes a child.

You exhibit such disgust for someone who has inappropriately touched his sisters to the extent that there is no further hatred left for people who have done far worse abuses.

Your sense of proportion seems out of whack.

What did the boy deserve? He deserved a d@mn good asswipping and a very stern lecture as to why he will never do such a thing again, as well as being informed that he will never be permitted to be put into a position such that he can contemplate ever doing such a thing again.

Obviously the parents didn't handle this properly.

42 posted on 06/08/2015 2:15:50 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: gdani
That's a good question. Since the matter never reached a court, what authority does the/any judge have to order the records destroyed?

Are you suggesting that the cops involved are brain dead stupid? Do you know any of them that are unaware of the state's interest in protecting the futures of juvenile offenders?

Over the years, i've known lots of cops, and I assure you they are very cognizant of the law regarding juvenile cases. It is axiomatic, and common practice that details of juvenile cases are *NEVER* released.

The judge refuses to say why the order was issued.

I don't see where a juvenile court judge is under any obligation to explain his orders. In fact, I can't see how they can do their job if they needlessly spill details of cases to parties that have no need to know.

43 posted on 06/08/2015 2:21:00 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: gdani
Correct. But it would be nice to know on what legal authority the judge based his decision. Thus far, he refuses to answer.

On what legal authority a judge orders records relating to juvenile offenses destroyed? Are you serious?

I think that was what the police thought, too. But it still does not mean the judge had the authority to issue the order. It sounds more like small-town politics to me.

It sounds like routine law in Juvenile proceedings to me. Again, the state has an interest in protecting future adults from crimes they may have committed as juveniles. Every cop knows the procedure. Every Judge. Every Lawyer. Every clerk. They all know the state's intentions and they know the normal procedure, and they generally all follow it.

What do you suppose would happen to a cop if he released information regarding a juvenile before it had a chance to reach the judge?

As far as I know, it's a permanent standing order that you never do such a thing.

44 posted on 06/08/2015 2:26:05 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: Sam Clements

I have one more general comment to complement my previous post. This past year or so there have been a lot of incidents involving black vs white and often involving police. Surely public officials including police have made mistakes and surely young criminals have caused a lot of disruption and destruction which is not often the fault of police who are laboring under difficult conditions. Certainly ill advised, liberal social programs and false champions have created a large portion of the societal destruction. My comment is that too many freepers on this site introduce racist sounding comments. These are never helpful. Whatever happened to the reasonable and constructive comments which used to be prevalent here. There are many viewpoints which should be honestly and fairly discussed here. Racist sounding comments from either side need to be avoided.


45 posted on 06/08/2015 2:27:27 PM PDT by Sam Clements
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To: Pinkbell

Gosh, I seem to recall that King David was lied, committed adultery and murder and yet - God called him a man after his own heart. God forgives - let Him!


46 posted on 06/08/2015 2:27:30 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: GeronL

The price of tea in China is too high...Who is excusing what Josh Duggar did?


47 posted on 06/08/2015 2:32:01 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: DiogenesLamp

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/05/23/a-timeline-of-the-molestation-allegations-against-josh-duggar/

He did a lot more than ‘inappropriately touch through their clothes’.


48 posted on 06/08/2015 2:32:37 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Kaslin; Ann Archy; ClearCase_guy; b9; greyfoxx39; Albion Wilde; mountn man; Talisker; ...

Pinging some of the posters from another thread discussing this over here.


49 posted on 06/08/2015 2:43:38 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Liberal tolerance only extends to people they agree with.)
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To: Sam Clements
T"he hate on this family is disgusting. It is said that it is because they are hypocrites. All 21 members are hypocrites and deserve to be hated? Really? Besides having Christian views, and having a juvenile son who made a youthful mistake, I am not quite sure that the revulsion from many is anywhere near close to reasonable. That is why I am calling it hate. Do you hate the really young ones too? There are even many despicable comments from freepers on this site. Frankly, I am reevaluating participating on Free Republic if hate and Chtistian bigotry are here."

First of all, I'm getting tired of hearing any criticism or distaste toward the Duggars labeled "hate." I've seen it many time from their apologists, and it's every bit as hysterical and inaccurate as when leftwingers throw words around carelessly.

I don't know what your son did and I don't care to know, but "mistake" is not an applicable term to describe Josh Duggar's repeated molestations of his sisters, one little more than a baby.

The Duggars are not normal Christians. They belong to Bill Gothard's cult, which tells them everything from how to dress to what kind of hair they should have. Gothard himself had to step down due to 34 accusations of sexual abuse.

Concerning the young ones in the family, why on earth would you imagine folks would dislike them? I hope and pray they'll have their eyes opened to the destructiveness of Gothardism, and come to understand that Jesus exists outside of it.

As for the parents, I've never liked them. I've always found them creepy, and some of what I've seen lately makes me think they're freaks. So what?

50 posted on 06/08/2015 2:50:43 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: gdani; Responsibility2nd
This was an illegal release of non-public information.

BZZZT. Strike three. But we have some lovely parting gifts.

I was watching Megyn Kelly on Fox News when she firmly said that it was, in fact, an illegal release. Where are you getting your information that it was not?


51 posted on 06/08/2015 2:56:46 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: Black Agnes
He did a lot more than ‘inappropriately touch through their clothes’.

Well if he did, it is certainly not borne out by the link you provided. I read in vain looking for any detail more than "molested multiple girls as a teenager."

The degree and sort of "molestation" is not mentioned, at least not that I could see.

But this begs for the question. What could he have done without waking up his sisters, who would have presumably objected?

Whatever it was, it seems the family and the "church elders" thought a stern lecture and being sent to a "treatment program" was sufficient to deal with the problem.

Now maybe they think differently from me, but I think if he did any more than touch them or look at them, I wouldn't have been content with letting it go with such a soft response. He would have been put out of the house for starters.

52 posted on 06/08/2015 2:58:01 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: gdani
JUVENILE records ARE NOT covered under FOIA
53 posted on 06/08/2015 3:05:27 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Black Agnes
He did a lot more than ‘inappropriately touch through their clothes’.

A claim for which no documentation exists.

54 posted on 06/08/2015 3:05:35 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: gdani

The judge IS the court. There is no legal distinction.


55 posted on 06/08/2015 3:06:20 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

The police report.

The parents either lied when they swore and affirmed in ‘06 at the police station, or they lied in the interview.

Pick one.


56 posted on 06/08/2015 3:07:35 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: DiogenesLamp

Click the link to the police report.


57 posted on 06/08/2015 3:07:56 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Pinkbell
1/3 of all molestations are committed by juveniles.

The average age of juveniles who commit molestations is 14.

90-95% of all juvenile aged molesters, who go through counseling, never molest again.

58 posted on 06/08/2015 3:13:09 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Well then how about you clarify your meaning? What is it that you mean when you use the term "molester"? In the vernacular, most people assume it means someone who rapes or sodomizes a child.

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That is incorrect. Making light of what Josh Duggar did is wrong.

Child sexual abuse or child molestation is a form of child abuse in which an adult or older adolescent uses a child for sexual stimulation.[1][2] Forms of child sexual abuse include asking or pressuring a child to engage in sexual activities (regardless of the outcome), indecent exposure (of the genitals, female nipples, etc.) to a child with intent to gratify their own sexual desires or to intimidate or groom the child, physical sexual contact with a child, or using a child to produce child pornography.[1][3][4]

Source: Wikipedia

59 posted on 06/08/2015 3:16:30 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mountn man

Cite.


60 posted on 06/08/2015 3:19:10 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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