Posted on 06/08/2015 1:16:50 PM PDT by Pinkbell
As near as I can tell, it says "forcible fondling." It says he fondled them while they were asleep, and at times when they were awake.
While this is objectionable, it's a long ways from rape or sodomy, which is what is being implied by all the histrionics I am seeing.
Bust his @$$, give him a strong lecture, send him to rehab. What do you want to do beyond that? Put him in Juvvy hall? Let the State raise him for awhile?
Not only does this not improve anything, it would strain the familial relationship even more, not to mention the possibility that the news would get out as to why he's in there and his sisters would then have to face the humiliation from their peers.
It would probably have wrecked his life too. All they learn in Juvenile hall is how to be worse offenders, and the State government can't competently run a comic book collection, let alone juveniles.
When I was about 12, we moved from a good sized City out to the country. When I attended school, I was shocked to see those redneck goatropers grabbing girls boobs or crotches on several occasions. The girls would giggle. Everyone else at the time thought it was funny except for me, but I was a bit of a prude.
I thought it was tasteless and boorish, but I wasn't going to get my @$$ beat for running and tattling to the principle about it. (I was new in that community and I had nothing in common with these hicks.) That it might be a criminal offense never even occurred to me at the time.
I'm wondering what the culture was like in this town where these people come from. Something tells me it is probably similar to that redneck community in which I lived for a few years. It was an odd social environment.
You are wrong. It was reported when he was a minor, it didn’t “come to light” only when he turned 18.
You pose a good question. He let his victims and his mommy and daddy do all the talking for him while he hides out.
How do you know he’s got his life together...no evidence he’s gotten help for his issues since this family keeps child abuse hidden.
I prefer to save my sympathy for the Christian baker sued by the homonazis. Parents who protect child abusers are creepy.
They actually did put him out, after their first attempts to correct it didn’t work.
She can’t see the hate.
She is seething from it and drowning in it.
I am seriously concerned.
Spare me your whining. You are conflating a young boy who fondled his sisters as a "child molester." While this is very objectionable, it does not make of him a "Child Molester" in the normal understanding of the word. For one, he himself was a child.
I think your attitude has a lot more to do with this Duggar family (a Group of which I have never heard prior to this week.) than it does with any particulars. As I mentioned before, when I was 12, my family moved to Hick-Town USA, and I saw boys doing this sort of thing on several occasions. Not to their sisters of course, but then I wouldn't have put it past some of them.
It is not the equivalent to raping or sodomizing a child by an adult. It does not even come close. For you to portray it in a like manner is thoroughly dishonest and creepy.
The boy needed a good @$$whipping and further instruction. He did not need to go to Juvenile hall or Prison. Even if every bit of it was proven, I'm not sure a Juvenile judge would have done anything more than scare him good.
27 year old perp?
To imply that he still is involved in the behavior with NO EVIDENCE is hate filled and seeking to destroy a fellow Christian.
I saw where they put him in a treatment program. Is that what you mean?
I agree, I was just showing the absurdity of the argument.
Your posts are good and informative.
The police report was done in 2006 and states he had 3 months of therapy at a court approved facility right after it happened. The information in the police report came from the girls, not the parents. Their ages and names were redacted so I have no idea which one was the eight year old.
Histrionics? Seriously?
I'm seeing a lot of them myself. The hysteria over people who don't care for some reality TV family is absolutely amazing.
Let's see, for refusing to fawn all over those celebrities, recently I've been accused of being on a "jihad", been called mentally ill, unsaved, a disgrace to the Cross, messed up, sick, a freak show, amd a child of the devil.
Now mind you, I don't give a rip, and in fact I find it funny. But it just goes to show you how desperately and completely that weird family is fetishized by some.
How did they keep it hidden? From you?
They said the people who needed to know, did know. I agree.
How do you know he HASN’T turned his life around?
If I weren’t sure, I’d leave it to God and not ASS U ME the worst about a person and sow discord or take the chance I might near false witness against someone I don’t know. Those sins will keep you out of heaven just as fast as child molesting will.
She is seething from it and drowning in it.
I am seriously concerned."
Drewsmum, I want to thank you for your concern. It means a lot to me...in fact, my heart is warmed.
But instead of discussing me behind my back like a coward, show some guts next time, and courtesy ping me.
You've been here years longer than I have...certainly enough time to know posting rules.
If you read, the therapy was at a Gothard facility.
There was no ‘court’ in ‘03 when the molestation happened.
There was no ‘court’ at all. By the time the police report was made in ‘06 (at the insistence of the police, their having gotten a report about this) the statute of limitations had expired.
There’s no record of the Gothard facility in Little Rock having a license to do that sort of therapy when Josh would have been there in ‘03.
The case was never adjudicated in a court of law.
DHS is another story. Upon receiving the parents statements a FINS (family in need of services) case would have been opened regarding the family. Any licensed therapy for any of the children would have come after that in very late ‘06 or ‘07.
I find it interesting that the pedo/kiddieporn cop went away the first time in ‘07. I have to wonder if Josh didn’t out his as potential source of what would have been for a 13yr old (or even younger) highly inappropriate material.
I have to disagree. If for a second you feel that fighting against child molesters is towing the liberal line, then you are way off course. It amazies me that this family is getting a free ride on this site by many conservatives and some half wit, lame, comedien who did something at age 7 is a reincarnated Hitler.
After reading some of these post, I looked up everything I could find on Josh and the family. How they handled the situation from the beginning. Let me be honest here; they lost their way years ago. What Josh did was disgusting and inexcusable. What his Mom and Dad did was the same. They covered this up. They lied multiple times. They made excuses and justified his actions to fit their world.
It disturbs me to read so many Freepers who feel the same way. I hear that “we should forgive” yet we can’t forgive others who did less. I have heard the excuse that this is all a left wing ruse. Left wingers can’t hold a lie together for more than a minute before it is outed.
There is no agenda here. This kid, now man, is sour. He has been protected for doing atrocious acts against his own siblings and others. I do not blame the WHOLE family but I do blame Josh, his Mom and his Dad. They protected his completely to keep the money train rolling in.
If this is TLDR (Too Long, Didn’t Read): Josh is pervy scum. Mommy and Daddy hid the secret to make tons ‘o’ cash. The rest of the family is cool. Freepers need to stop backing child molesters as God Fearing Conservatives (Duggars.... Ted Nugent.... etc).
Take your bad ass attitude that you can't back up and stow it.
Josh got his first "counceling" by his dad. Second he got sent away from the family for a few months, to live and council with a trusted and respected family friend.
So they weren't "licensed". The report doesn't say licensed.
Often times when dealing with youth, "counseling" is more (or less) than sitting in a degreed persons office.
Next...EVEN IF Josh didn't receive "licensed" counseling until 2007, that was EIGHT YEARS AGO
Lastly...
YOUR JUST PISSED that the stats don't contort to your preconceived bias.
The facts are this Josh DID fondle the girls while he was a minor.
His parents tried to deal with him, including extended leave counseling.
The DOJ
AS WELL AS OTHER reports
State that 1/3 of all sexual molestations committed on minors are by minors.
Check. Josh was a minor as were the girls.
That the average age of juvenile molesters is 14 and plateaus after that.
Check. Josh was 14 the first time and 15 the last.
That 85%-95% (other studies are higher) of juvenile offenders, never have arrests or reports of future sex crimes.
In addition to a diversity of backgrounds, diversity in motivation is evident. Some juvenile sex offenders appear primarily motivated by sexual curiosity. Others have longstanding patterns of violating the rights of others. Some offenses occur in conjunction with serious mental health problems. Some of the offending behavior is compulsive, but it more often appears impulsive or reflects poor judgment (Becker, 1998; Center for Sex Offender Management, 1999; Chaffin, 2005; Hunter et al., 2003).
Similarly, clinical data point to variability in risk for future sex offending as an adult. Multiple short- and long-term clinical followup studies of juvenile sex offenders consistently demonstrate that a large majority (about 85–95 percent) of sex-offending youth have no arrests or reports for future sex crimes. When previously sex-offending youth do have future arrests, they are far more likely to be for nonsexual crimes such as property or drug offenses than for sex crimes (Alexander, 1999; Caldwell, 2002; Reitzel and Carbonell, 2007). These empirical findings contrast with popular thought and widely publicized anecdotal cases that disproportionately portray incidences of sex crime recidivism. Nevertheless, a small number of sex-offending youth are at elevated risk to progress to adult sex offenses. To identify those who are more likely to progress to future offending, researchers have developed actuarial risk assessment tools that have demonstrated some predictive validity; efforts to refine these tools are underway (Parks and Bard, 2006; Right-hand et al., 2005; Worling, 2004).
But I guess actually reading anything in the any report the exposes your bias and ignorance is beyond you.
He’s 27yrs old.
He will always be ‘the perp’.
When he turned 18 he didn’t magically change into another human being.
Did his offenses somehow get erased from the cosmic continuum because he turned 18?
Just as the sisters will always be ‘the victims’.
Crimes have a perp and a victim.
I don’t actually hate Josh. Such histrionics. It’s not a ‘team’ sport btw. Life isn’t a function of ‘love them or hate them’.
I feel very sorry for him. He apparently had a father more concerned with HIS public persona than actually BEING a father. When his dad needed him most he got a watergate plumber instead. And having read the Gothard materials I can guarantee you ‘sin in the camp Josh’ was the reason for every bad thing that’s happened since. His dad is on record blaming ‘sin in the camp’ at that time on his senate race loss. And he apparently didn’t receive *real* therapy until he was in adulthood.
But, at 27yrs old, he IS a man. Just not acting like one. Shamefully letting his tearful younger sisters take the stage and take up for him.
I’m not 100 percent sure of the timeline. I THINK Jim bob duggar said after he touched the younger girl, they “removed him from the home”
Honestly, I always noticed that he was always sort of distanced from the family....like a black sheep almost. This explains it to a certain extent.
Thanks for your compliment.
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