Posted on 06/12/2015 5:05:09 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
“There is room to debate. It may be limited, but it’s there.
What isn’t there is the ability to filibuster the thing. Thats the real problem area.”
I’m totally confused about this whole issue and I don’t know who to believe anymore. Cruz and Walker, the only two of the current field I would consider supporting, are both in favor of TPA. But then I heard Sen Sessions on Rush yesterday advocating against it.
What I’m confused about is which deal (TPA or TPP) sets up this dangerous new Pacific council and all that? I assume that’s TPP. If so, and if once TPP is read for 60 days and it’s determined that it’s horrible, can’t Congress vote it down on a majority vote?
I realize we have a lot of traitors in the GOP, so even if the answer to my question is yes, it’s still not very comforting. But at least we would still have an opportunity to lobby Congress to vote down TPP once it is revealed. Is that true or am I missing something?
Sarah Palin, as usual, is right on target. Anyone supporting fast tracking TPP is effectively voting for it before the American People can see what’s in it.
TPA is like the cloture vote in the Senate. Ted Cruz has always said the the true vote on a controversial measure is the cloture vote. A later vote against the bill merely gives a dishonest politician cover after it passes.
Maybe it’s time to draft Sarah. Ted Cruz has committed political suicide.
I’m saying he will not have distinguished himself from the other GOP candidates.
Actually, it makes the others look better. Jeb Bush outright supports amnesty. Cruz doesn’t, but instead thinks it’s ok to fast track a bill that allegedly gives President Obama the executive order to circumvent Congress on the matter?
Who’s worse here? Jeb is greviously wrong, but at least being honest. Cruz ends up looking like he’s giving lip service then hiding behind procedural trickery of the “I was for the bill before I was against it” variety.
It won’t help Bush win votes, but it will diminish Cruz and not help him win votes either.
You said it.
A case of who’s on first. No, who’s on second. Well, who’s on third? LOL!
I am following Sessions too. I’ve disagreed with him on occasion, but still I believe him to be sincere and whip smart, one to dot the “i” and cross the “t” along with the best of them, and THE best when it comes to snooping through the under belly of certain legislation.
If truly ALL our candidates turn out to be FOR this dog, then Cruz can’t really be discarded, can he? I really like him, but....... I just wish he would answer Jeff Sessions.
No fast tracked trade agreement has ever been turned down by congress. A vote for the TPA is a vote for the TPP. It is like the cloture vote in the Senate. It cuts off amendments and cuts off debate.
Anyone voting for TPA is casting a yes vote for the top secret TPP. That includes Ted Cruz who has already voted for it. If he later votes against TPP, then he is a hypocrite of the first order.
No, I can not. I don’t follow Duncan Hunter. Am I suppose to? I missed out on last night and ‘am just now able to follow CSpan shortly.
I have read several times that it is 6700 pages.
TPP is the actual trade bill.
TPA/Fast Track is the process by which it will be enacted into law. Elements of the process include public dissemination of the bill ahead of time, debate (with time limits), no ability to submit amendments and a straight majority, no filibuster, up/down vote by both houses to pass.
Most TPA/Fast Track provisions are good things that streamline the process and generally result in a better, more solid, agreement. The big flaw is getting rid of the filibuster.
Which is the issue many of us have with Cruz’s vote and exanation.
I'm just going to wait for the heat to pass, try to comprehend what's true and what's not rather than get caught up in the heat of the moment. I don't know what's in this thing, but if Barky wants it, I don't. It's simple, he's not to be trusted.
Right now, I hope this gets scuttled in the House, it simply appears to be a bad bill.
I’m just going on what he has said. Though, I don’t trust any politician.
I guess he did a focus group that said it was OK to blow off his most ardent supporters. What's the point? Why even run? Does he get to keep all the cash he collected? Premium membership in the Bilderberg Group? A new F150?
I'm rich. And yes, I am responsible for the shortage. Anybody with brains started buying hand over fist when the American people decided to go full retard.
This does not mean you have to hold your nose and vote for the most lily livered rino to come down the pike.
It does mean that you can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good enough.
Cruz and Walker are both good enough.
Duncan Hunter Sr. is against it. His son, the current congresscritter is for it.
> when Jeff Sessions of Alabama sets his hair on fire over something then that is an event that fuels my concern.<
Couldn’t have said it better. Plus anything in secret = something nefarious and unconstitutional is headed our way.
Since it is beginning to look like our only hope is Ragnarök, Hillary gets my full support. / 1/2S
So your friend works for Goldman?
> I have a friend that is around him pretty often and will know hiw to get a message directly to him.
So your friend works for Goldman?
No...lol
Therein lies the problem. We have someone in the WH far more corrupt than Nixon who has shown a willingness to ignore laws if it doesn't suit his agenda. In addition, he hates this country. Is that someone that should be given even a shred of authority to negotiate a deal of this magnitude? I'm not generally opposed to free trade, but let the next president be the one to negotiate it.
Pity. I was trying to talk my landlord into packaging some of her crappy rentals into a CMO or something and trying to sell it to some Muppets or Norwegian pension fund. Blythe Masters is too busy running a billion spoof bids a second on her own private HFT platform.
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