Posted on 06/12/2015 5:05:09 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
"There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.
Please use in that order." - Larry McDonald
Apparently. One wonders who they will actually vote for in ‘16. John Birch?
“No fast tracked trade agreement has ever been turned down by congress. A vote for the TPA is a vote for the TPP. It is like the cloture vote in the Senate. It cuts off amendments and cuts off debate.”
So this is what everyone is so upset about?
With all due respect, the fact that no fast track agreement has ever been turned down in the past doesn’t mean it can’t happen in the future.
I would presume they were all agreed upon in the past because they were strictly trade agreements (without added immigration and climate change nonsense) negotiated in good faith by presidents that were acting in the best interests of this nation.
This POTUS is unlike any we’ve ever had, and if the TPP is as bad as Sen Sessions says it is, it is at least possible (though given all the traitors we have in the GOP caucus not as likely as it should be) that TPP could be voted down. At least we would have 60 days to lobby lawmakers, right? Or am I still missing something?
FOLLOW THE MONEY.
There is no reason whatsoever to push for TPA right now except to get the TPP passed. None. TPA gives Obama power to sell out the country to foreign and corporate interests all of which basically own this congress.
If TPP is so bad, which it is, then why give it such an easy pathway to passage? The only reason to pass TPA today is so that TPP can sail through congress without any amendments or changes.
Unless you know exactly what is in TPP (which is currently top secret) then you have no business pushing TPA.
I'm pretty sure that Cruz was more influenced by money than principle when he voted for TPA. TPA is just the fast track to getting the top secret TPP through congress and giving Obama basically unlimited power to sell out America until he leaves office (which may be never).
I’ve said the same. But they are wrong in supporting this nonetheless.
Personally, I believe you are right-on. Without apology, on all counts.
The arguments *for* this monster are coming from those who can’t possibly know what is in the TPP, but are relying solely on the word of Ted Cruz, who himself is evidently not promising it to be the hill he wants to die on. YET.
To see Cruz and Sessions come together on an opinion would go a very long way toward resolving the problem.
I think they call your post "Whistling past the graveyard".
There is an easy answer - this is all globalism. Both parties are pushing for ‘global harmony’ - which means ‘global tyranny.’
The big corporate interests are socialists - they are NOT for the free market.
They are not loyal to the USA. (look at Apple, Microsoft, etc. they are progressives ie socialists)
I woke up from this in around 2005 when I realized that the Republicans were not serious about any war on terror when the borders were wide open and they were settling muslims here and calling islam the religion of peace.
I will only vote for the one who is FOR THE CONSTITUTION. And I will not vote for my security - I am not a scared rabbit. The founding fathers didn’t fight for security, or foreign entanglements - they fought for Liberty for this nation, and this nation alone.
The future of our country does become more perilous with each passing day. I have often wondered how long we can tempt God, and even expect to last long enough to make it through to the hope of 2016.
Then I remind myself that if our hope and our security is really all in one election, and placed in one man, then we are in ever lasting trouble anyway. If you get my drift.
Cruz, Walker and Rubio will all likely still be in their current positions after the 2016 presidential election. None of them will be President. Well Rubio will be out of job but not to worry he’s going to run for Governor of Fla. He will likely get elected. A much better place for him. Jebbie can run for Marco’s senate seat. We need more RINO’s in the senate. :-)
It's all well and good to talk about Cruz leading but where is this touch of Reagan Conservatism and greatness people claim Cruz has ?
There's no reason in the world to rush the TPA other than to make it possible to pass TPP. If Cruz is convinced the TPA is good, fine, let the thing simmer on the back burner while Cruz sells it to the people he needs if he's going to win the election.
Or, is getting this all now so Barry takes the blame while the next President can benefit from serving the big money interests who know what Barry has in mind without taking the blame for directly serving them when in office?
True!
Exactly!
Agreed!
Agreed!
No President should have unlimited power.
I can summarize this easily: Ted Cruz is a conservative hustler. He doesn’t want you to peek behind the curtain. So please believe the spin.
These aren't 'free trade' bills, they are 'managed trade', that is why they are secret.
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, and as a fellow Free Republic colleague, I’m glad to hear you express it ...
My political instinct tells me that fundamentally, Ted Cruz is trying to do the right thing ...
I may be wrong, you may indeed be right ... time will tell ...
I will stand with Ted Cruz otherwise ...
Godspeed ...
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I have a visceral reaction to giving ANYTHING to Obama.
He has abused every power he has.
If I understand TPA correctly, it inserts Congress into the deal.
Without TPA...OBAMA HAS CARTE BLANCHE.
This is what helped me decide to support.
I know some will say...no trade agreement has ever been stopped. Maybe, TPA will help in the mix.
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