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To: Jane Long

Myth 7: TPP is a secret backdoor for a parade of horribles (and TPA lets that happen)!

Totally false. Various politicians and pundits have sought to arouse suspicions by claiming, among other things, that TPA will permit President Obama to bypass Congress and use the TPP as a backdoor to, among other things, lawlessly expand immigration, curtail gun rights, or restrict Internet freedom. At this point, however, I hope you can see just how ridiculous these claims are. Regardless of the issue, the fact will always remain that nothing can be implemented via the TPP unless Congress agrees to implement it via a formal vote.

This would include things like new work visas (something that U.S. FTAs haven’t actually done for years now) or Internet regulations or gun rules or minimum wages or whatever: it all has to become law before it has any legal force, and the only people making law are Congress (and, again, according to their own procedural rules). So, if in the TPP the president committed the United States to toss every AR-15 into the Atlantic Ocean, those guns aren’t going anywhere unless Congress formally agrees, subject to all of the constitutional, procedural, and transparency rules already discussed.

And, really, do you think this Congress is going to do anything of the sort? Really? (For more specific debunking of these crazy ideas, go here, here, here and here.)

We still don’t know precisely what’s in the TPP, and final judgment—by Congress and the public—should therefore be withheld until we do. But the idea that TPP, empowered by TPA, will grant President Obama any new legal authority to ignore or change U.S. immigration or gun or whatever laws without Congress is simply ludicrous.


2 posted on 06/15/2015 1:41:32 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

“to toss every AR-15 into the Atlantic Ocean, those guns aren’t going anywhere unless Congress formally agrees”...

“and lots of liberals die trying to take them.”


3 posted on 06/15/2015 1:46:56 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SoConPubbie

LOL...NumbersUSA must be wrong, too...if the “Myth Charts” disagree.

So, let’s see...here are just a few, who are against TPA/TPA/Fast Track...

Sen Jeff Sessions
Gov Sarah Palin
Gov Rick Perry (I know, he’s the finger in the wind candidate)
Mark Levin
Breitbart
NumbersUSA

Misled researchers and/or faux conservatives, all?


4 posted on 06/15/2015 1:48:07 PM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: SoConPubbie

It is my understanding that Obama’s pen and Obama’s phone enable him to bypass the constitution, congress, and the will of the people.


6 posted on 06/15/2015 1:54:14 PM PDT by erkelly
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To: SoConPubbie
From the article...

...Jenks later argued that the chances of a trade deal being rejected due to an immigration provision is “Zero. The history is that no trade agreement has ever been stopped once fast-track authority has been given, and this fast-track authority, in particular, specifically limits the way that a trade agreement can be stopped by saying that the disapproval or the action to stop it has to come from Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), the Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee or Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), the Chairman of the Finance Committee. Now, those two get to decide whether the TPP and TiSA, and whatever comes next abide by the terms of the fast-track deal. Those two, no other member of Congress can decide that.”

7 posted on 06/15/2015 1:57:23 PM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: SoConPubbie
Myth????...Cruz is wrong?

Sen. Cruz: Congress Must Prohibit Obama From Abusing TPA to Change Immigration Law (Files Amend.)


9 posted on 06/15/2015 2:00:17 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: SoConPubbie
I never thought a GOP Congress would give Obama the ability to negotiate a 'free trade' deal.

I didn't think they were that stupid.

11 posted on 06/15/2015 2:08:19 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: SoConPubbie

If it’s so much a “myth”, then let the draft phase of TPP/TISA/TTIP be opened.


13 posted on 06/15/2015 2:09:35 PM PDT by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: SoConPubbie

The point is TiSA. You missed it.


14 posted on 06/15/2015 2:10:47 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: SoConPubbie

That’s misleading. It will all be one big package that only needs 51 votes. No matter how bad it is, it will pass. Every “free trade “ agreement so far has been a loser for the US and they all passed.


26 posted on 06/15/2015 3:48:27 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Lex rex)
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To: SoConPubbie

What do you have on the TiSA, the subject of the article?


30 posted on 06/15/2015 5:33:13 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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