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NRA official blames pastor for church massacre
NY Post ^ | Jun. 19, 2015 | Yaron Steinbuch

Posted on 06/19/2015 9:59:34 AM PDT by libstripper

An NRA official blames the massacre at a South Carolina church on the slain pastor's anti-gun position.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; charlseton; guncontrol; massacre; pinckney; southcarolina
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Please read the whole article. It turns out there is a good deal of reason to impose at least some accountability on pastor Pinckney for the atrocity because, as a legislator, he opposed concealed carry and, as the church's pastor, had a "gun free" zone policy for the church. Sadly, that makes him a lot like the manager of a business who refuses to install a sprinkler system, the business is attacked by an arsonist, and the manager and eight customers die in the resulting fire because there was no sprinkler system. Indeed, it's hard to find a more horrific example of the horrible injury "gun free" zones do to innocent people than this atrocity, an atrocity that was enabled by one of he very people who was murdered by the subhuman.
1 posted on 06/19/2015 9:59:34 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

When I hear this, I think it isn’t from a perspective on the political aspect guns or positions on gun availability or how anyone feels about them. They, guns, will always be available to those who go to the trouble to get them. If guns aren’t available then other substitutes can be had.

It isn’t politics, it isn’t religion, it isn’t race or ethnicity. It is nothing but crazy, demented insanity. That is what it is.


2 posted on 06/19/2015 10:04:51 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: libstripper

I’m all for private property rights. The owners should be free to ban guns of they wish. But they should also be held strictly liable for incidents like this.

L


3 posted on 06/19/2015 10:05:35 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: libstripper

Yes, but it’s not at all hard to find a more horrific example of the carnage caused by “gun free” zones. Virginia Tech, Cinemark in Aurora, Sandy Hook, Columbine... practically all multiple shooting in the US happen in “gun free” zones. How many people would have had a gun in any of these places is debatable, but the point is they were actively discouraged. Basically the government, the church, the movie theater, says to you “don’t take responsibility for for your own defense, trust us and we will protect you” and then they make no effort whatsoever to actually protect you.


4 posted on 06/19/2015 10:06:25 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: libstripper

bttt


5 posted on 06/19/2015 10:08:43 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: libstripper
IIRC, South Carolina prohibits CCW in churches but allows it in restaurants that serve alcohol.

(My guess is that logical incoherence is a result of lobbying by clergy. But even if the Reverend encouraged it in his church, state law prohibits it.)

6 posted on 06/19/2015 10:09:57 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." - Joseph de Maistre, 1753-1821)
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To: libstripper
Please read the whole article. It turns out there is a good deal of reason to impose at least some accountability on pastor Pinckney for the atrocity because, as a legislator, he opposed concealed carry and, as the church's pastor, had a "gun free" zone policy for the church. Sadly, that makes him a lot like the manager of a business who refuses to install a sprinkler system, the business is attacked by an arsonist, and the manager and eight customers die in the resulting fire because there was no sprinkler system.

From response #20 at FReepppost *here*:

Something is not adding up.

He [the reported shooter] had a .45, with at least seven rounds in the magazine, and reloaded five times, totaling 35 shots, at a probable minimum. There were a total of nine killed, and assuming he finished off half those he might have wounded with a follow-up *certainty shot*, that still would have required only around 15 rounds. Assume that after everyone stopped moving, he shot each of the bodies again to be absolutely sure; that's still only 24-25 rounds total.

What did he do with the other 10 or more rounds available to him, and why did he not continue his killings elsewhere in the church? Was he after one or more specific targets, a person or persons in that particular room with him?

Something is not adding up, and we are not being told what it is.

7 posted on 06/19/2015 10:10:19 AM PDT by archy
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To: Gaffer

In other words, we are talking about the demonic here.


8 posted on 06/19/2015 10:14:24 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Lurker

SPOT ON!

Banning guns in a public accommodation or a place of business should be prima fascia evidence of a tort. If anyone is harmed by a violent act in a place that bans guns the only question in court should be how much to pay the injured.

Banning guns is the moral equivalent of chaining a fire exit closed.


9 posted on 06/19/2015 10:16:51 AM PDT by tschatski
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To: thorvaldr
The striking thing about this, and not the other "gun free" zone atrocities, is that a significant "gun free" zone advocate was murdered by a subhuman because of the very lethal policy he ardently advocated and enthusiastically implemented at his own church.
10 posted on 06/19/2015 10:17:55 AM PDT by libstripper
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11 posted on 06/19/2015 10:18:31 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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uhhh....no

I don’t believe that ANY official of the NRA is STUPID enough to blame the dead Pastor for the fact that a drugged-out racist nutjob came into his church and committed mass murder.


12 posted on 06/19/2015 10:18:43 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: tschatski

“Banning guns is the moral equivalent of chaining a fire exit closed.”

I’m stealing that. Thanks.

L


13 posted on 06/19/2015 10:20:22 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Gaffer
It isn’t politics, it isn’t religion, it isn’t race or ethnicity. It is nothing but crazy, demented insanity. That is what it is.

Yep, this guy and almost every notorious Gun Free Zone Killer of the last twenty years is/was bug nuts crazy. Any ideology they seem to have been drawn to is superfluous to that fact.

14 posted on 06/19/2015 10:20:34 AM PDT by TigersEye (If You Are Ignorant, Don't Vote!)
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To: libstripper

In other news, the NRA blames the Charleston church Pastor for the......KA-BooooooMMMMMM....


15 posted on 06/19/2015 10:21:22 AM PDT by PROCON (CRUZing into 2016 with Ted.)
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To: Lurker

Use it at will.


16 posted on 06/19/2015 10:22:05 AM PDT by tschatski
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To: libstripper
Rather than worry about this, maybe the NRA should do the math.

In Norway, firearm ownership is prohibited unless one can exhibit specific legal requirements for possession.

Norway has a population of 5.1mm.

Anders Breivik murdered 77 people.

The US has a population of 321mm.

The scum in Charleston, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech and Aurora, CO collectively murdered 80 people.

To equal Breivik's level of violence proportionally, they would have to have had 4,822 victims.

Not 80.

The USA is demonstrably safer with our current laws than Norway is with its.

17 posted on 06/19/2015 10:22:47 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: archy

There were a couple threads yesterday with the “your actions demand justice, but I hope you find Christ” comments of one of the survivors. Who was shot eight times.


18 posted on 06/19/2015 10:23:37 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Biggirl

Demons bide their time and are ready willing and able to take over whenever the opportunity presents itself. They don’t care about political persuasion; they care about weakness of spirit.


19 posted on 06/19/2015 10:24:21 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: tschatski

I don’t know if you’re correct about the tort implications here. If a place of public accommodation is openly declared to be a “gun-free zone,” the any liability on the part of the person or persons responsible for that policy would be heavily offset by the failure of any aggrieved parties to reduce their own risk. In other words, a person who conducts business in such an establishment knows full well what the risks are, and shouldn’t complain when something like this happens.


20 posted on 06/19/2015 10:25:46 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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