Posted on 06/21/2015 4:34:25 PM PDT by bestintxas
Karl Rove is the perfect representative for the gutless, unprincipled Republic Party.
we had more guns per capita in the past without these issues.
something changed.
a lack of education and the removal of mental institutions driving up chaos in society.
their goal is to disarm americans. armed americans are the only deterrent to a totalitarian / authoritarian govt
Hitler and Stalin made sure that their civilian populations
were unarmed...
Hundreds of Millions dead...
Yeppers we surecanendgunviolence!
German built Concentration camps and Russian built Gulags
are not gun violence...except that the guards had guns.
Follow me KommRats...lets END GUN violence.
Rove is a complete imbecile if he believes this
Hitler and Stalin made sure that their civilian populations
were unarmed...
Hundreds of Millions dead...
Yeppers we surecanendgunviolence!
German built Concentration camps and Russian built Gulags
are not gun violence...except that the guards had guns.
Follow me KommRats...lets END GUN violence.
Flashback: How we will be told to “fix things” after Charleston
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/06/21/flashback-how-we-will-be-told-to-fix-things-after-charleston/
I am not concerned that criminals keep killing one another as that reduces the population of criminals. I AM concerned about the safety of the decent people and that means being armed. An armed citizenry is a polite citizenry and a much safer citizenry.
Rove believes the Second Amendment is the problem. This is the man who help run campaigns against most of the conservatives last year.
time for conservatives once and for all to end their unholy marriage with the GOP. the Tea Party should move ahead solidify conservatives and let the GOP wither at the vine. Conservatives are being used just like minorities are used by the DEMS. Repealing the second amendment will repeal freedom and in it’s void will come oppression.
I’m no fan of Rove, but this is a misrepresentation of what he actually said. He was saying there’s no way to remove gun violence, but any attempt would have to start with the impossible - repealing the second amendment. Guns exist, so there will be gun violence.
In actual fact every armed society you might care to name, while perhaps being polite, was also generally violent. It was polite because being impolite meant violence might break out at any moment.
I reference the American West, early-modern Europe (Cyrano de Bergerac and the Three Musketeers) and samurai Japan. All three had elaborate codes of honor and politeness and were likely to break out in killing at any time.
In an odd way, some of this also applies to modern ghetto society, where thugs take violent exception to anyone “dissing” them. This has surprising parallels to some of the early scenes in Romeo and Juliet. With the obvious exception of much less elevated language.
I don’t know about the others, but with the American West, we also had “lawlessness”. That is, vast spaces with no police force and little regard to the law. (Same as today’s ghettos???) I think that had/has a lot more to do with it than just the presence of weapons.
In more civilized parts of the country where there is the presence of police and a regard to the law and a healthy number of firearms among the populace I’m pretty sure the numbers support a lower crime rate.
If violent crime committed by blacks was omitted from our national crime statistics, the U.S. rate of violent crime would be less than Canada's.
I sincerely disagree with him. The way to address gun violence is through punishing crimes. If criminals are locked away (and those deserving put down), there is a real deterrent effect.
The issue comes down to the fact that he is saying elimination of gun rights for the law abiding is necessary to take guns away from criminals.
I agree. I just think that those who believe the presence of an armed citizenry in and of itself generates a more peaceful society are wildly off-track.
Afghanistan, for example, has always been a heavily armed society. And it has also for centuries been a society heavily into feuds and vendetta.
Part of the problem in early modern Europe and medieval Japan is the bearing arms was strictly limited to the upper classes. Which meant they developed an elaborate code of politeness among themselves, though it was violated and killing broke out remarkably often. What the arms-bearing classes felt no need to do was be polite to the non-arms-bearing classes.
He is done. Its been over a decade, since 2004, when he won anything. Now this.
“Part of the problem in early modern Europe and medieval Japan is the bearing arms was strictly limited to the upper classes.”
If it weren’t for the 2nd Amendment, that could be the case for America today. With “upper” replaced by “political”. And the police of course.
What you said is certainly a possibility and my thoughts also on the topic. These type of killings are pretty rare as horrific as they are.
Quite right.
Also apologize for the typo in the sentence you quoted.
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