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America is sinking fast....
1 posted on 06/25/2015 7:23:58 AM PDT by illiac
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2 posted on 06/25/2015 7:26:59 AM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
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What debate??

When did we have a debate about this Taliban style assault on America?


4 posted on 06/25/2015 7:29:21 AM PDT by GeronL
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The problem of illustrating absurdity by being absurd is that the absurdity you are trying to illustrate moves so fast, it’s hard to stay out front.

My question is this - if we are to be obligated to eliminate a particular example of free expression because it offends a particular minority group, what is the offset, what do we get to object to in their free expression and have withdrawn from public display? Perhaps misogynist, violent rap music?


5 posted on 06/25/2015 7:30:03 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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>>Jefferson owned slaves

That's not quite accurate.

The folks who owned Jefferson's debt owned his assets - including the slaves within his purview.

Jefferson died deeply in debt.

"OUR LIVES, OUR FORTUNES, AND OUR SACRED HONOR"

7 posted on 06/25/2015 7:31:49 AM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
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If wet don’t fight back it’s going to be a disaster.


8 posted on 06/25/2015 7:33:08 AM PDT by Williams
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The libs weep and wail when ISIS and the Taliban destroy ancient statues and monuments, then they rage and foam at the mouth against anything Confederate or before.

Reminds me of the mindless Chinese RED GUARDS who tried to erase everything that happened before the Chinese Communists came to power.


11 posted on 06/25/2015 7:37:53 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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Black Americans have been taught by self-serving leftists that because there was once slavery in parts of the U.S., there is no such thing as liberty.

The truth is, Progressive Leftists are opposed to individual liberty as defined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The only real complaint they have about chattel slavery in America two hundred years ago is that the slaves were privately owned.

But they get orgasmic over the idea of slavery to the state.

Democrats never pass up on opportunity to tell us why enslavement by the state is for our own protection and our own safety, because life under the anarchy that conservatives want to impose is just too risky and dangerous. We can't have any of that inhumane "on-your-own economics" that conservatives advocate.

Thereby proving that you no longer have to be black to be an Uncle Tom.

14 posted on 06/25/2015 7:40:45 AM PDT by Maceman
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The hard core left has learned well from ISIS. Now we have a revolution in the South to culturally cleanse every single emblem that someone is “offended” by. Indeed it is though we are entering a third Reconstruction period after 1865-76 and 1954-72 and this time the lunatic left has the will power and allies to destroy everything they hate, which is most of the white South.


15 posted on 06/25/2015 7:41:19 AM PDT by armydawg505
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The new name for the US capital:
Washington, PC


17 posted on 06/25/2015 7:42:49 AM PDT by sasquatch
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This IS NOT about Thomas Jefferson Monument, it is about the inscriptions on the panels. Everyone who loves liberty should defend it.

Inscription under the Dome

“...I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” - Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, September 23, 1800[1]

Panel One

“We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men. We...solemnly publish and declare, that these colonies are and of right ought to be free and independent states...And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.” - The Declaration of Independence[2]

Panel Two

“Almighty God hath created the mind free. All attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens...are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion...No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship or ministry or shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but all men shall be free to profess and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion. I know but one code of morality for men whether acting singly or collectively.”

Panel Three

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever. Commerce between master and slave is despotism. Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Establish a law for educating the common people. This it is the business of the state and on a general plan.”

Panel Four

“I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.”


20 posted on 06/25/2015 7:47:26 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever
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21 posted on 06/25/2015 7:48:00 AM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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Just bulldoze DC into the Potomac and all the memorials..

The Left would applaud..

The rest of US can just take it..

Transformation isn’t for the squeamish, yaknow.


22 posted on 06/25/2015 7:48:41 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (SEMPER FI!! - Monthly Donors Rock!!)
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George Washington is next on the hit list and when that happens it’s going to get very ugly.


24 posted on 06/25/2015 7:52:43 AM PDT by dowcaet
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CNN anchor Ashleigh Banfield this week questioned whether the Jefferson Memorial should be taken down because Jefferson owned slaves.

Beyond ASSANINE...just like most of the stuff on the Communist News Network. George Washington owned slaves. Are we going to change to "The Peanut Butter Monument"? or "Pine Tree, D.C."? How about the city of Spokane, State of Tuna? All this MEGA BS is enough to make a Saint sick!!

28 posted on 06/25/2015 7:59:00 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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“History is written by those who have hanged heroes.”


32 posted on 06/25/2015 8:56:42 AM PDT by sheworelemon (A lack of compassion is as vulgar as an excess of tears.)
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Reparations for slavery?
When a black woman is one of the richest people in America?
When a black man was Secretary of State??
When a black woman was Secretary of State?
When black men have sat — and do sit — on the Supreme Court??
When a black would-be despot sits in the White House?????
When countless black men have risen to the top of the ranks of the richest in professional sports and show business?? Men like Hank Aaron. And until the recent allegations of sexual misconduct, men like Bill Cosby who, despite his support for Obama, spoke out against the cultural rot and violence among his black brethren causing the race pimps to call him either an Uncle Tom or Oreo Cookie.)
And, how about Liberation Theology?
Liberation from WHAT? The chance to achieve and succeed??
Give me a break!!
Let me make it clear right up front: I am NOT a racist. I supported Herman Cain in his run for the Senate and supported him in his run for the WH. And if Allen West or Dr. Carson (need some clarification of Dr. Carson’s position on the Second Amendment) go for it, they, too, have my support.
I also consider Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams two of the finest economists and minds extant today. In case you don’t know them, both are black.
Sowell, Williams and Cain – among others — have spoken out against those fellow blacks who castigate and vilify America for a slavery now long in our past. And ALL thinking men and women oppose the periodic calls for reparations. (When he ran, I supported Alan Keyes. I even spoke in his stead on the RTKABA at a Capitol rally and was asked to fill in for him on his radio show at the time. Sadly, while I still consider Alan a good man, I have had to rethink my support since he came out FOR reparations.)
The fact is that the modern descendants of slaves brought here in chains in admittedly miserable, soul-gutting conditions now calling for reparations need to remember something:
They should not only be glad to be in America, they should be glad to be ANYWHERE!
Had their ancestors NOT been brought OUT of Africa – many by MUSLIM slave raiders —the blood of those ancestors would have run into the earth over there several centuries ago, victims of the OTHER black tribes that captured them in one of the interminable tribal conflicts STILL ravaging that sad continent and these modern day would-be “plaintiffs” would not even exist.
And I would remind you that slavery is STILL practiced in parts of Africa (mainly by – American BLACK MUSLIMS LISTEN UP!! — MUSLIMS), the Middle East and Asia today. How ironic that disgruntled American blacks are embracing a system that participated mightily in their initial bondage – and would, if Islam takes root here, probably put any who cling to their Christianity back INTO BONDAGE – or to the sword. In fact, as the majority of muslims consider black folks as “sub-human”, many of you black muzzies will get the axe.
95% of the African slaves who were transported across the Atlantic went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions, and that less than 5% of the slaves who crossed the Atlantic went to the United States, it was remarkable that the vast majority of academic research, films, books and articles concerning the slave trade concentrated only on the American involvement, as though slavery was a uniquely American aberration.
And should the great-great-great grandchildren of SLAVE OWNING BLACKS also be subject to PAYING these reparations? If so, how do we find THEM?
And I have traced MY family back to the SLAVS. Although the term looks to be related to “slave,” depending on your source, it either means “glory” or “worshipper.” But my family research indicates that many of my ancestors LIVED lives of virtual or real slavery to some despot or other. Do I qualify for reparations? From whom?? And it begs a question: Are most of us now living here headed into a modern form of that servitude? But that – and the slave history of the Irish, the heritage of both myself and my wife – is a topic for another discussion.
The official US Census of 1830 lists 3,775 free blacks who owned 12,740 black slaves. Furthermore, the story outlines the history of slavery here, and the first slave owner, the Father of American slavery, was Mr Anthony Johnson, of Northampton, Virginia. His slave was John Casor, the first slave for life. Both were black Africans. The story is very readable, and outlines cases of free black women owning their husbands, free black parents selling their children into slavery to white owners, and absentee free black slave owners, who leased their slaves to plantation owners.
-”Selling Poor Steven”, American Heritage Magazine, Feb/Mar 1993 (Vol. 441) p 90
Of course, a full telling of Black History would not be complete without a recitation of the origin of slavery in the Virginia colony:
Virginia, Guide to The Old Dominion, WPA Writers’ Program, Oxford University Press, NY, 1940, p. 378
A few more salient points on the subject:Until the US declared independence, the Colonies were REQUIRED by the King of England to embrace slavery.
The Northwest Ordinance (1789) prohibited slavery in federal territories.
A law prohibiting the importation of slaves into the US became effective in 1808.
Beginning in 1820, the Democratic Congress started passing laws allowing and encouraging slavery.
It was only after the Republican Party (many of whom were southern Blacks) was formed some 40 years later that the anti-slavery movement was able to move forward.
And the holier-than-thou Northern liberals are strangely silent on recent archeological evidence from NEW YORK CITY clearly tracing the financing of the slave trade to NORTHERN BUSINESSMEN!!
At the height of his remarkable boxing career, Muhammad Ali (born Cassius Clay), once declared, “I’m glad my great-grandpa got on that boat.”
And speaking of ancestors, my paternal grandmother’s daddy, William Henry Robinson, joined with the 80th Ohio Volunteer Infantry early in the War Between the States (re-upped twice) and fought on the Union side at Vicksburg, Jackson and elsewhere in the deep South then joined up with Sherman for that infamous march to the sea through Georgia. My wife’s great-great grandpappy ALSO fought for the Union. While I revere the memory of my ancestors, inasmuch as that conflict was less about slavery than it was the economic exploitation and abuse of the South by the North, I fear they MAY have been on the wrong side.
Author Robert Hitt Neill tells of attending a Tennessee Mountain Writer’s Conference years ago with several other authors. Among them was Alex Hailey, celebrated author of “Roots.” Watching a TV news show, a group of them watched a demonstration in a Southern state against the “Rebel” flag incorporated into that state’s flag. The very next report covered a famine in Africa. Graphic images showed dead bodies, starving children with distended tummies and runny noses and dying people covered with flies, too weak to brush them away.
Mr. Hailey intoned in a low, serious voice, “Every time an American black sees a story like that, they should find a Confederate flag and kiss it.” He then pointed to the TV screen and continued, “Because these would be me and my descendants, except for American slavery. I thank God that my family and I are here instead of there.”
Next problem!
Dick Bachert
AFTERWORD:
A brief review of the FACTS on the subject:
Until the US declared independence, we were required by the King of England to embrace slavery.
The Northwest Ordinance (1789) prohibited slavery in federal territories.
A law prohibiting the importation of slaves into the US became effective in 1808.
Beginning in 1820, the Democratic Congress started passing laws allowing and encouraging slavery.
It was only after the Republican Party (many of whom were southern Blacks) was formed some 40 years later that the anti-slavery movement was able to move forward.


33 posted on 06/25/2015 9:01:55 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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America is sinking fast....

It like standing on river ice that is rotting out from under us in the Spring.

35 posted on 06/25/2015 9:29:06 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate. [URL=http://media.photobucket.com/user/currencyjunkie/me)
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If the Confederate Flag, Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and Thomas Jefferson have to go, then so do all of the slavery lovers in Arlington National Cemetary should be dig up and thrown in the trash too.

Arlington was Robert E. Lee’s residence, and was picked as a burial site because of it. Anybody buried there is automatically a slavery-supporter because of their burial location; therefore they should be exhumed and dumped into a landfill along with other trash.

</sarcasm>


36 posted on 06/25/2015 9:33:57 AM PDT by angryoldfatman
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I'm going to say this, white liberals are coming up with all of this crap, not us. Most black people (me included) don't care about this stuff! I'm not a big fan of the confederate flag but I would not say anything to anyone that was flying it, it's their constitutional right to fly it! Just like it's my right not to like it!

The Jefferson memorial attacks started with white liberals and the race hucksters took it and ran with it.
38 posted on 06/25/2015 12:55:34 PM PDT by ForAmerica (Texas Conservative Christian *born again believer in Jesus Christ* Black Man!)
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