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Netflix hit with 'cloud tax' as Chicago targets online consumers
fortune ^ | july 1, 2015 | jeff john roberts

Posted on 07/01/2015 5:26:51 PM PDT by lowbridge

Chicago officials are taking an aggressive new tax approach. Consumers will now have to pay 9% on Netflix, Amazon Web Services and more.

Chicago is marking Independence Day this year with fireworks, hot dogs – and sweeping new tax rules that require companies to collect a 9% levy every time consumers use streaming and cloud services such as Netflix or Amazon Web Services.

The rules, which went into effect today, came about after city officials expanded the interpretation of existing amusement and property lease taxes to encompass cloud-based technologies.

According to lawyers at ReedSmith, which flagged the new rules in a blog post, the taxes now encompass SaaS (software as a service), PaaS (Platform as a Service) and streaming media services. In a phone interview, Wynne described how the tax collection will work in practice:

“It really comes from doing audits of consumers. Take our law firm. City officials will audit us for a bunch of taxes, and may find online services,” said Wynne, explaining that officials will now check if the firm has been paying the 9 percent tax on those services.

This raises the question of who is responsible for collecting and paying the tax, which is technically levied on consumers.

“Let’s say an audit of our firm reveals we an invoice from Amazon or someone else with a Chicago address,” said Wynne in a hypothetical example. “The city authority has the choice of either going after the law firm or the companies who didn’t collect.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amazon; chicago; cloudtax; netflix; taxes
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To: ronnietherocket3
If local video rental stores have to pay this tax, it is reasonable for Netflix to have to pay it as well. Otherwise, this is simply discrimination amongst various types of businesses.

Spoken like a true egalitarian.

I suggest you study up on tyranny. A mindset reflected in your naive and foolish comment is best suited for the Statist DUmpsters.

21 posted on 07/01/2015 5:51:29 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: DoughtyOne

There are still a few bargains out there.


22 posted on 07/01/2015 5:52:21 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I agree. Love finding them. LOL


23 posted on 07/01/2015 5:55:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: ronnietherocket3

Streaming services are not rental services. They are a subscription service. This has nothing to do with rentals as rental stores pay only sales tax. Netflix and Amazon also pay the sales tax on the cost of their services.


24 posted on 07/01/2015 5:56:57 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"all your money are belong to us."


25 posted on 07/01/2015 5:57:37 PM PDT by TangibleDisgust (The Parmesan doesn't go like that.)
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To: ronnietherocket3

Dear Lord....the stupid is strong in this one.

L


26 posted on 07/01/2015 5:59:17 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: DoughtyOne

HBO has done it for years at a very profitable level.


27 posted on 07/01/2015 6:01:42 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: lowbridge

Is it businesses or people in their homes. It doesn’t really say anything directly about people in their homes. If it is businesses, I think it would be really a very low amount collected overall and hardly worth doing. If it is customer, is it 9 percent on the 8 bucks or every time you turn it on? It is a VERY confusing law and I want to know what this means because it will be knocking on our doors very soon I am sure.


28 posted on 07/01/2015 6:04:18 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
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To: sand88

Normally when two businesses compete and a government policy gives one an advantage over the other, it is corporate welfare, e.g., Solyndra Loans. If a video rental store has to pay a certain tax, but Netflix does not, that becomes a form of corporate welfare. If you want to get rid of the tax, fine, if you want both to pay the tax, fine. But both must be taxed equally otherwise it is corporate welfare.


29 posted on 07/01/2015 6:04:48 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Jim I’m not sure exactly what it is they are doing. Do they have a connection at $7.99 per month that gives completely access?


30 posted on 07/01/2015 6:05:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: ronnietherocket3

If local video rental stores have to pay this tax,

They still have those? Goodness that is sad. I can’t imagine people still use those businesses. Everyone is streaming now.


31 posted on 07/01/2015 6:06:02 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
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To: lowbridge
According to lawyers at ReedSmith, which flagged the new rules in a blog post, the taxes now encompass SaaS (software as a service), PaaS (Platform as a Service) and streaming media services.

Interesting. This isn't only going to affect consumer online streaming services, this has the potential to hit EVERY BUSINESS that uses any cloud based service such as ServiceNow, or Amazon.Com for encrypted storage in the cloud.

The business taxes from this are going to be staggering. Methinks the City of Chicago hasn't thought this one through. If they did, they'd see a high number of businesses moving OUT of Chicago because of this.

The organization I work for, this translates to MILLIONS of dollars for us.

32 posted on 07/01/2015 6:11:18 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ronnietherocket3
Quit digging a deeper hole. Taxed equally or otherwise it is corporate welfare? Are you truly that stupid?

You are either young and naive or you are a vile leftist troll. I think the latter is more likely.

Again you truly need to study up tyranny -- it is enveloping us all.

Arguments such as yours is ridiculous and meaningless. We are way way beyond "tax fairness" or whatever leftist egalitarian crap you want to throw against the wall.

Government at all levels is totally out of control and increasingly becoming more sadistic towards it's citizens and yet you argue that because Netflix isn't paying a tax it is corporate welfare? Go back to the DUmp you Statist lover.

33 posted on 07/01/2015 6:12:06 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: lowbridge
Just like in the movie Deliverance - I guess Netflix has got a real pretty mouth, ain't it...
34 posted on 07/01/2015 6:13:44 PM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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To: Kozak

What is VPN?


35 posted on 07/01/2015 6:14:58 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
“I see you have some money there. Give it to me.”

The 900 pound retarded troll that is gruberment...

36 posted on 07/01/2015 6:15:00 PM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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To: DoughtyOne

I love Netflix, Just love them!


37 posted on 07/01/2015 6:15:50 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Chickensoup

I gravitate towards HULU. I do like them both though.


38 posted on 07/01/2015 6:21:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: DoughtyOne

Netflix has a couple stream only purchase points starting at $8 or 9 a month. I pay $12 and can watch on as many as five units at a time. I have a big family and no cable. For a few dollars more you can also get video CD’s delivered in the mail.

With the streaming service you can watch unlimited shows that are on Netflix. They have thousands of movies and television shows to chose from including several first rate original programs. They add and subtract programs and movies on a regular basis. There are no additional charges for offered content. There are no commercials. Everything is instantly streamed on demand.

They have about 55 million monthly subscribers at an average of around $10 a month. That is $550 million a month or around six billion a year in revenue. That gives them a great deal of revenue to provide services.

I also have HULU and Amazon Prime. Prime also offers free programs and movies, but they have additional movies that they charge fees to stream. I look at prime as a free two day delivery service as Amazon delivers free for prime members expedited two day service for around $8 month. That is a yearly payment of $100.

HULU Plus is a pay service that has mostly television programs that are airing right now. They have commercials which is annoying, but my kids like it.

I ditched cable about a year ago and said goodbye to around $110 a month and have not missed it one bit. Thanks to primarily Netflix.


39 posted on 07/01/2015 6:25:16 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: piytar

Yes. Eventually it self-immolates. And we’re getting close to seeing that here. Cf Greece


I predict a future Netflix original documentary called “The Night Chicago Died — Financial Armageddon”.


40 posted on 07/01/2015 6:25:46 PM PDT by Flick Lives (“One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast.” -- Heinlein "Friday")
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