Posted on 07/07/2015 7:20:01 AM PDT by wagglebee
July 6, 2015 (BreakPoint) -- Both before and after the Supreme Court’s ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges, some Christians argued that allowing same-sex couples to marry is not inconsistent with traditional Christian teaching on marriage.
At the heart of these arguments is the assertion that same-sex relationships are, to borrow a phrase from gay writer Andrew Sullivan, “virtually normal.” That is, same-sex relationships are, with one very obvious exception, not all that different from traditional marriages. Thus, just as the Supreme Court held that similarly-situated couples should be treated equally under law, similarly-situated couples should be treated equally in our churches.
The problem is that same-sex couples and opposite-sex couples are not nearly as alike as those making these arguments would have us believe.
This reality was amply demonstrated in a recent broadcast of “Weekend All Things Considered.” Host Arun Rath spoke to J. Bryan Lowder of Slate, who worried about the impact of the Court’s decision on gay culture.
By “gay culture,” Lowder wasn’t talking about a particular fashion sense and a fondness for Judy Garland. What he had in mind was the ability to “imagine different ways of being in romantic relationships and loving.” For some gays and lesbians, this “meant monogamous relationships that looked exactly like a married couple . . . [without] the legal imprimatur of the state. But for other people, they had many different kinds of arrangements.” Emphasis on many.
Lowder was concerned about losing “some of that imagination that the gay community has had in the past to think about how to live in different ways and . . . offer a critique to straight culture of how we can arrange our romantic lives.”
In other words, LGBT folks are just like straight folks except when they’re not. They want to be married like everyone else, except when they don’t want to be. They want to embrace bourgeois domesticity, except when they don’t and, instead, prefer to use their imagination, as he put it.
Lowder is hardly an outlier. Last year, in a Daily Beast article provocatively entitled “Were Christians Right About Gay Marriage All Along?” gay activist Jay Michaelson acknowledged that there “is some truth to the conservative claim that gay marriage is changing, not just expanding, marriage.”
Michaelson cited a 2013 study finding that “about half of gay marriages surveyed . . . [are] not strictly monogamous.” He called this fact “well-known in the gay community,” adding that “we assume it’s more like three-quarters” that are not monogamous. They are, to cite a now-popular phrase, “monagam-ish.”
Michaelson admitted that his straight friends who believed that they “were fighting for marriage equality, not marriage redefinition,” felt “duped.” But he was unapologetic. In his words, “actual monogamy has never been an actual norm,” as opposed to an ideal.
Michaelson seems to think that because some men have been unfaithful, monogamy should not be an expectation of marriage. The vast majority of women, by the way, would undoubtedly disagree.
This brings to mind an exchange between Andrew Sullivan and conservative columnist Mona Charen more than 20 years ago. In response to Sullivan’s claim that marriage would domesticate gay men’s sex drives, Charen replied that marriage doesn’t domesticate men, women do.
This, my friends, is sexual complementarity in a pithy nutshell. The sexes are different, and each promises the other something different that will contribute to their union and the wellbeing of their offspring.
Frankly, Christians who support same-sex marriage have been had. The question is: Now that they know what’s really going on, will they change their minds?
Reprinted with permission from Break Point.
Marriage has NEVER been their goal, their goal is the DESTRUCTION of marriage.
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2 Thessalonians 2 New International Version (NIV)
The Man of Lawlessness
2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
I was reading another article yesterday that again emphasized that the homosexualists wanted ‘marriage’ but they weren’t all that interested in faithful monogamy.
As someone so astutely pointed out on another such thread: Christians don’t support gay marriage.
Who knew that His “winnowing fork” would have “homosexuals” written on it?
christians who support gay marriage are either not really Christians, or they have woefully inadequate knowledge of Scripture and their Lord.
One can not be a practicing Christian and support gay marriage any more than one can be a practicing Christian and support Islam.....
The whole point was to get a political “win” at any cost. It’s like two 16 year-olds getting married so they can finally be “adults”.
What they really won was not gay marriage but gay divorce.
You can but you would be wrong.
A person is Saved by Grace through Jesus Christ, not Saved by their stand on gay marriage.
You are not a “real” christian if you support faggot/dyke marriage in any way shape or form!...
There...
So Jesus was wrong about not lying with a man as you would a woman?
“Money makes the world go round
The world go round
The world go round.”
“Misery loves company.”
There is a loneliness, an unhappiness inside them that they try to escape through homosexuality and rubbing our noses in their homosexuality.
Did that court decision end that emptiness in them?
No.
They will continue to thrash around like wounded jackals, all the time ignoring the real problem, which is themselves.
True, but one who is truly saved by Jesus Christ should not celebrate sin. We all sin, but the truly saved individual should repent, not celebrate.
Those that are truly saved and still support gay marriage suffer a real knowledge deficit and need to be confronted lovingly with Scripture.
Yes they are, but if you support ungodly behavior without seeking repentance I would question if you ever asked for and received Grace. If you do not ask with a genuine heart I do not think you will get it.
There’s a fine line between being ‘Christian tolerant’ and being a gullible fool.
I’ve never understood why so many Christians have a problem with guilt from speaking against what is wrong or evil.
God’s way or mans way. Simple.
Which would best be termed a "sexual partnership" and the bylaws of the partnership could spell out exactly what was and was not permitted. Legally established partnerships have ALWAYS been available for anyone.
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