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Warning: Herbal Remedies are just untested, unverified, impure drugs. (Loved one poisoned by tea.)
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Posted on 07/10/2015 1:02:09 AM PDT by dangus

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To: dangus

so, your intent is to gather anecdotal evidence to use in your law suit?


21 posted on 07/10/2015 4:56:34 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... No peace? then no peace!)
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To: dangus

What “remedy” are you speaking of? As a chronic Lyme sufferer which the CDC and the Infectious Disease Centers refuse to acknowledge as the epidemic it is and is becoming more widespread, I am left with few choices BUT natural remedies to combat this horrible disease. I do know that one has to carefully research what dosages are used and the sources.


22 posted on 07/10/2015 4:57:10 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: dangus

What was in the tea? You don’t need to tell us the brand.


23 posted on 07/10/2015 4:58:03 AM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: dangus

What were the specific herbal ingredients of the tea? No brand name is necessary to provide that.

And I pray your wife has a full recovery.


24 posted on 07/10/2015 5:00:21 AM PDT by Will88
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To: ManHunter

“I have friends who are MDs and one, a well-known cardiologist, once told me, “I wish they’d taught us more about homeopathic and naturopathic medicine in medical school; there’s definitely something to it.”

They would be persecuted by the government, big Pharm, and others who might lose money over using those methods. I have stories of docs losing their licenses because of such actions. In fact, Autism and Lyme disease are often targets for those docs.


25 posted on 07/10/2015 5:02:02 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: dangus

What was the tea supposed to treat?


26 posted on 07/10/2015 5:03:59 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: Bigg Red

Yes, please. I have definitely read warnings about taking supplements, teas, herbal remedies and vitamins that are made in China because there is no way to tell if drugs are also a component in the product, not to mention things like melamine and other toxic substances.

Best wishes and prayers for recovery with no lasting effects to the OP’s wife.


27 posted on 07/10/2015 5:04:48 AM PDT by CarolinaPeach
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To: dangus

On the other hand, when I added hibiscus tea and flax to my diet, my blood pressure dropped 30 points (it was high).

Family members have also had good experience with colloidal silver.

I have also had family members respond horribly to medicines, including side effects that were not on the insert sheet.

Personally, my two experiences with Claritan for allergies had the exact OPPOSITE effect, it made my allergic reaction worse, AND made me sleepy, the worst of all possible worlds.

Each of us is different, so any medicine, tea or pharmaceutical, might have a bad reaction, even one not listed in the documentation.

A blanket statement on tea or other non-pharmaceutical remedies based on an anecdote is no more scientific than the cure-all effects some of these products claim to have.


28 posted on 07/10/2015 5:16:23 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: dangus

Thank you for that. We live in a time when many have been very poorly educated in our country, and what you have said needs to be repeated many times.

“Natural” does NOT equal “safe”.


29 posted on 07/10/2015 5:21:02 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: freeangel

That’s because Lyme disease is cured by antibiotics. However, if left untreated for too long, it cause cause major (even deadly) problems. Many bacteria are this way.

If you get the flu and developed a cough from it that lingers, you don’t have chronic influenza.


30 posted on 07/10/2015 5:23:11 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: John Valentine
“Natural” does NOT equal “safe”.

Is is illegal to possess or smoke poison ivy?

31 posted on 07/10/2015 5:23:38 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Dr. Sivana
Family members have also had good experience with colloidal silver.

Colloidal silver is useless for the treatment of any disease and is dangerous. It is quackery, pure and simple. Silver is a heavy metal - stay away.

32 posted on 07/10/2015 5:23:40 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Thankfully “stupid” does not equal “illegal”.

Yet.

But give the busybodies time; they’ll get round to it.


33 posted on 07/10/2015 5:25:29 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: dangus

Hoping for a speedy recovery.


34 posted on 07/10/2015 5:25:51 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: John Valentine

That’s the “devil’s advocate” question I ask when confronting the illegal-substance aspect of pot.


35 posted on 07/10/2015 5:28:13 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ManHunter
one, a well-known cardiologist, once told me, “I wish they’d taught us more about homeopathic and naturopathic medicine in medical school; there’s definitely something to it.”

If this cardiologist believes in homeopathy I suggest you never use him. Total bunk.

36 posted on 07/10/2015 5:30:56 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: ManHunter

>> I took her to a very highly respected naturopath, who put her on some supplements and gradually altered her diet. <<

I’m certainly NOT talking about altering one’s diet under the guidance of a trained professional, or taking supplements of vitamins or other substances normally found in a healthy diet; I’m talking about taking herbal remedies!

>> The FDA has approved a multitude of drugs that were supposedly safe, only to remove them from the market later because of the severity and frequency of side effects. <<

Shall we look at some of the more famous drugs pulled from the market?

Many drugs are extremely powerful with risks that are well-known when they are released, which patients are clearly warned about. On the balance, the risks are deemed to outweigh the benefits. A slight re-calculation of the risks often changes that overall assessment, or a safer alternative is found. Contrarily, herbal remedies are left for the buyer to beware.

Of the 20 largest settlements against drug manufacturers, 16 of them involved people using them for off-label purposes.

>> After about six months, no symptoms of RA and no side effects. <<

P.S. Given that she’s your EX-wife, I’m not sure whether I should say I’m terribly sorry for what happened to your wife. ;-) Are we considering her cure good news?


37 posted on 07/10/2015 5:32:39 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
Research them before you use them. They have no worse a record than prescription drugs insofar as side effects and I suspect they are, on the whole, much safer than many prescription drugs. I once had a bad reaction to an herbal. It taught me to research them. Educate yourself about herbals and alternatives. They are going to be what is available to us more and more, until the rulers get around to making them illegal. Herbals and glucosamine keep my arthritis under control. Saw Palmetto keeps me going.

I treat bacterial infections, so far quite successfully, with colloidal silver and have avoided flu and other viruses for 9 years with D-3 through the winter. These two are not "herbals" but they are in the same class of denigrated supplements and alternatives. If I relied on the doctor for ameliorating the crotchets of my old age I would be taking some meds with some vicious side effects shown in the literature and would be in a wheel chair or at least on canes and would have flu and colds at the same rate as the folks I know who get the flu shots, which is a marginally better rate than those who do neither the shots nor the D-3. I maintain my blood pressure at low normal and my cholesterol in the "safe range" with herbals and omega-3.

I started all this stuff when I was prescribed statins and looked it up. I was not willing to risk the possible and probable side effects for the truly negligible benefits that were apparent from the literature.

My medicare doc prescribed a med to do what the saw palmetto is meant to do and I researched that. It has no shown adverse side effects so I took it. It seemed to improve things a little but made for pretty severe constipation and acted as a diuretic, which I did not need. I dropped it.

Pay close attention to your own health. Research everything the doctor gives you and decide for yourself whether the claimed benefits are worth the risks. Research the herbals and supplements. They can be more expensive because insurance doesn't cover them but some of them will do you a lot of good. Researching that stuff is easy these days. Thirty years ago it was all pigs in pokes and tedious to research.

38 posted on 07/10/2015 5:37:42 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Do NOT get me started on colloidal silver. Talk about your pure quackery. There have been literally hundreds of studies which have unanimously found silver useless or worse. We’re not talking “results insignificantly superior to a placebo,” we’re talking “significantly poorer results than no treatment at all.” Many colloidal silver products don’t even contain any silver at all.


39 posted on 07/10/2015 5:40:14 AM PDT by dangus
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To: SpaceBar

Oh, God no! Ephedra is one of the few herbal remedies that has been taken off the market completely, is it not? I’ll find out from toxicology if it might have contained something it should not have; right now one doctor suspects it may have contained foxglove, despite not listing it.


40 posted on 07/10/2015 5:42:40 AM PDT by dangus
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