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Trump’s ‘facts’ on Mexicans and crime are just wrong (Linda Chavez on NY Post Just Now)
The NY Post.com ^ | 7/10/2015 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 07/10/2015 6:51:38 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ

..But what about Trump’s contention that Mexico is sending us criminals and rapists? In fact, the very opposite is true. Mexican immigrants, legal and illegal, like all immigrants, have lower rates of criminal behavior than the native born...

...As for incarceration rates, immigrant men ages 18 to 39 are less than half as likely to be incarcerated than native-born men the same age, according to the Ewing study.

Mexican men are even less likely to be incarcerated: Their rates are one-third that of natives with similar demographic characteristics.

And Salvadoran and Guatemalan men are incarcerated at one-fifth the rate of native-born men without a high school degree — the group most likely to commit violent crimes....

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: chavez; immigration; mexicans; trump
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To: Yardstick

Yes, after another poster pointed that out for me, I am now less concerned about her points, stats and articles. And now I have a basis to begin my rebuttal to the people I have to rebut to this weekend.

I knew there had to be something wrong, thank you all Freepers for helping me out here.


41 posted on 07/10/2015 7:33:36 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Do you even lift?!)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
27% of all Federal prisoners are illegal.

They constitute about 5% of the population.

What more does anyone need to know? Hell, is Linda Chavez legal? Where her papers?

42 posted on 07/10/2015 7:34:25 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: Mariner

Boom, another great one. Thank you.


43 posted on 07/10/2015 7:34:47 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Do you even lift?!)
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To: odawg

If Latino “immigrants” have lower crime rates than the native born, how does this idiot broad explain the fact that 95% of the outstanding murder warrants in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens?


44 posted on 07/10/2015 7:35:53 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Liberals are like the Taliban and ISIS....destroying cultural icons they don't like.)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

She seems to simply be manipulating the numbers.

For example, she compares Ethnic Mexicans to Mexican immigrants, not all Americans.

I did not see if she “normed” the numbers for the time spent here.

There is also the question of under reporting of crime in the immigrant neighborhoods.

And, of course, it the immigrants were not here, then *any* crime they commit would not have happened here.


45 posted on 07/10/2015 7:35:57 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Coincidence?

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/07/local/la-me-ln-usc-immigrant-study-20130507

http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_27308318/los-angeles-violent-crime-up-14-3-percent


46 posted on 07/10/2015 7:38:27 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Ha—you’re not accounting for my nine previous years of lurking!

And thanks for the kind words. I learn so much from other Freepers.

FReegards.


47 posted on 07/10/2015 7:38:52 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

At this point I don’t trust anyone of Hispanic decent. They have an agenda and being a true blue American isn’t it.


48 posted on 07/10/2015 7:39:47 PM PDT by Boomer (America; love it or leave it. It isn't just a bumper sticker.)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/trump-is-right-illegal-alien-crime-is-staggering-in-scope-and-savagery?f=immigration#ixzz3fW9YXCfx

http://www.fncic-voiacm.org
http://www.fncic-voiacm.org/statistics.php
GENERAL STATISTICS
Statistics are not current

The following information is compiled from news, law enforcement, survivors of victims, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Border Patrol and Department of Homeland Security reports:

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles , Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals.
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals.
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals.
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our State and Federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes”.
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.
380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the US to illegal alien parents in just one year, making 380,000 babies automatically US citizens (which is UN-Constitutional; illegal).
97.2% of all costs incurred from those illegal births were paid by the American taxpayers. That is almost ALL of them!
And remember YOU are supporting ALL of these illegals no matter where they are now. Every time another illegal runs the border breaking our laws, your pocket just gets lighter and robbed more!

STATISTICS FROM THIS SITE

FNCIC-VOIACM currently has information on over 1000 victims of serious crimes committed by illegal aliens.

These victims are in the process of being verified and added to the data base as we are able. Please be patient. To help in this process or be notified when significant numbers of additional victims have been added to the database, please send an e-mail to admin@fncic-voiacm.org to be added to the FNCIC-VOIACM mailing list or to volunteer.

693TOTAL VICTIMS IN THE FNCIC-VOIACM DATABASE
18molested: victims were molested.
108rape: victims were sexually assaulted, including being raped.
8gangrape: victims were gang raped.
37autoinjury: victims were seriously injured in an automobile accident.
102autokilled: victims were killed in or as a result of an automobile accident.
46hitandrun: victims were injured or killed by a Hit and Run driver.
23assaultinjury: victims were seriously injured in a physical assault.
101assaultkilled: victims were killed in or as a result of a physical assault.
25kidnapping: victims were kidnapped.
2terrorism: reported crimes involved terrorist activity.
90six: victims are 6 and younger.
126twelve: victims are 12 and younger.
186eighteen: victims are 18 and younger.
10gangcrime: crimes involved gangs generally.
7drugs: crimes or perpetrator were involved with drugs.
3invasion: perpetrators involved in a home invasion.
1truck: perpetrators were truck drivers or accident involved a Mexican truck.
45previouslydeported: perpetrator had been previously ordered deported but did not get deported.
50priorfelonies: perpetrators had prior felonies.
53dui: perpetrators were DUI/DWI.
66priordui: perpetrators were DUI/DWI and had one or more prior DUIs/DWI.
1returned: perpetrators had been previously deported but returned.


49 posted on 07/10/2015 7:40:04 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
In his original remarks, Trump made no distinction between legal and illegal immigrants, though he and the media have treated the insults as if they referred only to illegal immigrants from Mexico.

A damned lie. It's clear Trump was talking about those crossing the border illegally, and he even says he talked to border guards, and that some are from the Middle East and other places. Why would he mention other nationalities crossing the border? Many are just quoting part of his statement:

The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.

(APPLAUSE)

Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They're sending us not the right people.

It's coming from more than Mexico. It's coming from all over South and Latin America, and it's coming probably -- probably -- from the Middle East. But we don't know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don't know what's happening. And it's got to stop and it's got to stop fast.

People know exactly what Trump was talking about.

50 posted on 07/10/2015 7:41:07 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Linda Chavez misses the point. Illegal Aliens are here ILLEGALLY and ANY crime they commit makes the point.


51 posted on 07/10/2015 7:41:39 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Boomer

Agreed for the most part, but I do make exceptions for certain Cubans. Ted Cruz, for example.


52 posted on 07/10/2015 7:42:27 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Do you even lift?!)
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To: donna

Ms Chavez never mentioned the obvious. Climate Change is the most threatening issue facing America,none of the invading hoards are Carbon neutral! Hypocrites!


53 posted on 07/10/2015 7:42:44 PM PDT by smartyaz
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To: Ultima

this is sickening...especially since we whites are supposed to be ashamed of ourselves and, of course, keep paying the bills for all these sub-humans.


54 posted on 07/10/2015 7:43:21 PM PDT by Aria
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Linda Chavez? They must be getting really, really desperate to be dragging her out to refute Trump.


55 posted on 07/10/2015 7:43:53 PM PDT by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
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To: jospehm20

If I recall correctly she got caught running a foundation or charity that lined her family pockets with 99% of the funding.


56 posted on 07/10/2015 7:46:01 PM PDT by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
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To: 9YearLurker

Oh, I mean the idiot who tried to report me for trolling when I said “especially since I pre-date...”

His thing was 2008, I’m 2003 baby and proud of it. Though jelous of the 90’s start date folks, though being only 33, I admit in middle and high-school I didn’t really have consistent internet access yet. My home comp was still my dad’s with slow dial-up and the only page I loaded was ESPN. LOL.


57 posted on 07/10/2015 7:46:05 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Do you even lift?!)
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To: smokingfrog

Definitely not. This is an all out RINO ploy to stop Trump.

I agree.


58 posted on 07/10/2015 7:47:18 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Do you even lift?!)
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To: xzins

Illegal aliens and non-citizen legal immigrants: commit crime and you’re out of here


When I was young that is the way it was for immigrants (we didn’t have illegal aliens, they were deported when caught)
One DUI or whatever and out you go.

Now they won’t deport anyone until they kill an American.


59 posted on 07/10/2015 7:48:27 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Sure.
thats why you posted earlier the same link earlier expressed your deep phony concern about trumps remarks.
and this La Raza whores propaganda stats.

Linda chavez is a well documented Amnesty whore house madam.

Spare us.


60 posted on 07/10/2015 7:55:30 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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