Cellphone video and audio of Twin Peaks shooting [WACO]

ViralHog ^ | May 18, 2015 | viralhog.com

[Prolixus]

Police said a shootout between five rival biker gangs took place Sunday May 17th, 2015 in Waco, Texas, leaving at least nine people dead. This is footage of the police arriving on the scene. They has been nearby, as they were expecting trouble.

The fight started at the Twin Peaks restaurant and moved into the parking lot, starting as a fist fight, then moving to guns. When the officers arrived, they engaged in the gun battle.

Police spokesman Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said, "In my nearly 35 years of law enforcement experience, this is the most violent and gruesome scene that I have dealt with." He also said of the brave policemen who intervened, "Their action has saved lives in keeping this from spilling into a very busy Sunday morning. Thank goodness the officers were here, and took the action that they needed to take to save numerous lives."

[Prolixus]

This 60 second cellphone video with audio was recorded from inside Don Carlos restaurant on May 17, 2015. It appears to match the Don Carlos' security footage just after the 12:44:00 (12:44 PM) mark. On the audio, I hear five gun shots. They all sound similar and none sound like pistol fire. Are these five suppressed .233 cal. shots?

There is no evidence of any disturbance on the Don Carlos' security video until 12:41:00 (12:41 PM) when the loiterer in front of Don Carlos and the bikers in the Twin Peaks parking lot all suddenly run and dive for cover (it looks like a bomb was dropped at that time). According the the AP's review of the Twin Peaks security footage the shooting started at 12:24 PM and police entered the Twin Peaks restaurant two minutes later. There appears to be a mismatch on the security video timestamps of the restaurants of about 17 minutes.

This is a tentative timeline using the Don Carlos' timestamp:

Time	Event
12:40 PM	Bikers hanging out in Twin Peaks' parking lot. Police are present.
12:41 PM	Shooting starts
12:43 PM	Waco PD enter the Twin Peaks restaurant
12:44 PM	Cellphone video and audio recording begins during which 5 gunshots (.223 cal.?) are heard.

Summary
1. I count five shots. None of them sound like pistol fire.
2. According the Waco PD, their officers only fired 12 rounds of .233 cal..
3. This implies that in one minute they fired 5 rounds but in the in previous 3 minutes, from the start of the shooting, during the time in which time Waco PD entered the Twin Peaks restaurant, and up to the time the cellphone video starts, the Waco PD only fired 7 rounds.
4. According the Waco PD, there were 32 shell casings found at the scene that were not from .223 cal. rounds. Since the only rifles fired were .223 cal. the rest of the rounds were pistol caliber.
5. What caused the mass panic at 12:41 PM? How could the Waco PD be inside the Twin Peaks restaurant at 12:43 PM but (.223 cal.) gunfire is still occurring two minutes later? Why were so few .223 cal. rounds fired in the first three minutes? When were the pistol rounds fired? Did the uniformed officers that we see in the video know that some, if not all, the gunfire they heard was from the Waco PD?
6. Does my interpretation of the timeline make sense?

[Prolixus]

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[ctdonath2]

[casual amused tone] “Oh, look, someone’s been shot.”

[Prolixus]

Yes, I noticed that too. What was she smoking?

[ctdonath2]

I didn’t make out any shots, at least as differentiated from other normal-sounding pops & bangs from rattling a camera around a window in a noisy room. (Not saying there aren’t, just I didn’t discern what you may have.)

What really struck me was the ongoing casual happy normal tone in the restaurant. Just outside the table’s window are a dozen cops waving guns, another dozen bikers are on the ground, one biker strikes me as dead, diners are discussing hearing shots fired (like _right_then_), and everyone inside is just carrying on like they’re watching a sitcom.
Beware normalcy bias. When you’re next to a window just outside which there is evidence of immediate & extreme violence, don’t be next to that window.

[iowamark]

They has been nearby

Has they been learning English?

[Cboldt]

I think the window between the shots and the cell-hone microphone have a significant sound attenuating function. Can't hear the highway traffic, for instance. I would not assume the shots heard are suppressed based on this cellphone audio.

The reports on number of shots and shell casings are widely conflicting. We're just going to have to wait, to get a version that is credible and complete. In May, the line was "the large size of the crime scene and the volume of bullet casings, blood and other evidence has made evidence gathering difficult," or "Stroman said last week that most of the 44 shell casings found at the scene were from suspects' guns. Casings are still being counted, but as of last week, police stated only a dozen were discharged by officers."

Just from this video, it seems to be taken some time (half a minute at least, everybody is on the ground; maybe two or three minutes) after the fight started. The police in view aren't overly alarmed at the gunshots, not taking cover, etc.

[Robert Teesdale]

Beware normalcy bias.

It kills many.

[Finny]

Glad to see you and others keeping this most important story at least somewhat covered, but ... just, "but." As sad and ugly and scary as it is, Waco was a turning point, the beginning of a new era in the US, where free Americans are being given the clear choice to either submit to tyranny from civil servants under the point of a gun, or to resist it via the same. After Waco, the supreme court decisions on Obamacare and Gay Marriage were mere abstracts.

Waco involved armed force of government tyrants arresting people for exercising their right to free assembly, and the "civil servant" tyrants WON hands down; it is now way too late to help the innocents harmed. Mission accomplished. It's just disturbing to me that it has happened in broad daylight right under the noses of 318 million Americans, and they failed to even notice.

Just an observation ... the video at Viral Hog was published on May 18, and all those quotes from Swanton, about it being a "gruesome scene," etc., were resceinded within a few days, IIRC, such as the claim that the fight started in the bathroom.

[wastoute]

Still no coroner’s report. Still more modified, limited hangout. Something occurred to me the other day. The question of undercover types has been raised. I wonder if it occurs to the real outlaw types that they should infiltrate the LE organizations?

[Prolixus]

Sorry to leave you off my ping list for this post!

Anyhow, Sgt. Swanton had a lot to say at the scene. One thing he said that may be true, is, that when the uni(n)formed officers arrived at the driveway between Twin Peaks and Don Carlos they saw the situation this way, "As we pulled up on scene, the shooting at individual bikers from bikers turned toward us."

[Finny]

Something occurred to me the other day. The question of undercover types has been raised. I wonder if it occurs to the real outlaw types that they should infiltrate the LE organizations?

MAN O MANISCHEVITZ!!! That is a big ol' BUMP, pinged to savvy FReepers (leaving out the dupes/plants, except for one possible, edpc, who happily swallows the police/msm narrative.

I do know some cops and retired cops who are sickened by what "law enforcement" has become, and who would side with the so-called "outlaws."

And I also know that the so-called "1%" patch (edpc, not the 99 percent patch I mentioned in another post elsewhere ... hey, I was distracted!! {^)) is another myth propagated by law enforcement "experts" and the TV shows they "inform," such as the MSM History Channel (the History Channel IS the MSM, remember) and Sons of Anarchy. Officially, the one percent patch designates a hardened criminal who has committed a violent offense. I am ashamed to admit that I believed it myself for too damned long.

I found this after reading several forums where folks posted, half laughing, half disgusted, about how the one-percent patch holder they know (or are) is a high-earning advanced-education professional with zero criminal record but a rebel heart, plus all kinds of amused comments about moronic LEO and the gullible public who buy LEO's dramatic, makes-for-great-copy soap-opera pablum on the mysterious 1 percent patch:

What these cage driving monkeys don't see and understand is the amount of us that are veterans.

It is a brotherhood, a comrades in arms, fellowship of people that live by a distinct code of rules and conduct.

A 1% patchholder isn't a druggie a drunk a gun tooting lunatic or societies dregs - its a person adhering to a lifestyle and code of conduct most 9-5'ers will never comprehend.

Yes we drink, party and have a good time - and no we don't give two sh*ts about most of society.

However - smack your old lady in a bar full of bikers and see what happens.

Disrespect my country or my flag - abuse a child or disrupt a veterans funeral.

All these things and more us dirty dregs are involved in.

Judge a book by its cover and miss a good read - judge a man by his appearance and miss out on good people.

IMHO

That fits in a whole lot better with the reality I know, than the Hollywood version of Waco being pushed by MSM/LEO, one and the same.

[Finny]

That’s quite alright! Add me to a ping list if you’ve got one on this, if you will be so kind? I think Swanton’s swift removal by higher-ups was the ONLY sign of panic in this entire affair! {^)

[dware]

IF the bikers were even HALF as bad as the cops - and some sadly misinformed FReepers - are attempting to make them out to be, there would have been dead cops out there too. The fact that no cop was even targeted tells me there is something entirely fishy about the LEO narrative. Not saying all the bikers were perfectly innocent good guys, but uh, the bikers are more likely to be: veterans/white collar workers by day/LEO/military and such. There are bad elements in there, but I do know quite a few very good guys (one is a cop) who ride with various biker “gangs”.

[Cboldt]

The government is quite open about its animus toward bikers. It's smart to take them at their word.

And in Waco, we see the animus backed up in deed, "to teach them a lesson" (about how the wheels of justice turn).

[JJ_Folderol]

>>> I wonder if it occurs to the real outlaw types that they should infiltrate the LE organizations? <<<

A guy I know became a LEO recently and the application was 65 pages long and more in depth than a military top secret clearance.

It also required about 6 months of cop school prior to hiring.

[JJ_Folderol]

7. Where are the other 5 bodies since the pictures only account for 4 in the parking lot.

[TexasGator]

“This 60 second cellphone video with audio was recorded from inside Don Carlos restaurant on May 17, 2015. It appears to match the Don Carlos’ security footage just after the 12:44:00 (12:44 PM) mark. On the audio, I hear five gun shots. They all sound similar and none sound like pistol fire. Are these five suppressed .233 cal. shots? “

On the video they are talking about the bikers shooting ...

[Finny]

Yep!!!

Americans have the RIGHT to free assembly with "bad" dudes, ex-convicts, preachers, sinners, gamblers, off-duty cops, tattoo artists, doctors, hairdressers, convicted felons (who've paid their dues to society), fat people, skinny people, classy ladies and skanky dames, liberals, conservatives, pot-bellied guys with beards to their navels, clean-cut accountants who ride on the weekends -- by golly, we even have the right to free association with TOBACCO SMOKERS!!

Unless, of course, it's at a COCI meeting or, very probably, anyplace where all those people's primary vehicle is a Harley or Indian motorcycle.

That's the reality in America today, and it is a hard reality, a mean one, to accept, but face it -- and face it DOWN -- we must.

I just learned that in a nearby rural county, just like down here in heavily populated So Cal, bikers and biker clubs are being consistently and heavily HARASSED and threatened by "law enforcement," our "civil servants" busy serving us a big plate of jackbooted thuggery. Law-abiding bikers with zero or very old criminal records of small consequence have had their vests taken from them by police, been followed and hounded and photographed, when gathering together simply to party and have fun, as IS EVERY AMERICAN'S GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to do. Civil Servants are working overtime to remove that right for American motorcyclists.

Our "civil servants" in law enforcement and within the justice system that enables this abuse of power (see Waco), apparently expect us to relinquish our right to free association with such sorts because there are just too many "unsavory characters" about. After all, "experts" and "journalists" agree that clubs are "criminal gangs."

If at Waco, cops had arrested the dozen or so "bad elements" involved in the shooting and left everyone else alone, that would have been fine. But they did the OPPOSITE and arrested the good elements, and the reasons why are all too apparent: American bikers are at the forefront of American patriots who consider civil servants, servants.

Those civil servants abuse us as if they are our masters, and bikers (not the courts -- Waco proves that, as it's already too late for the courts to help the victims of "civil servants" turned self-appointed masters) -- bikers in America, many organized into clubs dominated by veterans, are the single LARGEST and MOST DIVERSE group of American citizens poised to resist in a way that actually counts.

[Finny]

Hey JJ -- you are aware I hope that the words below are not mine, but those of wastoute:

I wonder if it occurs to the real outlaw types that they should infiltrate the LE organizations? <<<