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Bernie Sanders's fear of immigrant labor is ugly — and wrongheaded
Vox ^ | July 29th, 2015 | by Dylan Matthews

Posted on 07/29/2015 7:57:12 AM PDT by Mariner

If I could add one amendment to the Constitution, it would be the one Wall Street Journal editorial page editor Robert Bartley once proposed: "There shall be open borders." There is no single policy that the United States could adopt that would do more good for more people. An average Nigerian worker can increase his income almost 15-fold just by moving to the United States, and residents of significantly richer countries like Mexico can more than double their earnings. The humanitarian gains of letting everyone who wants to make that leap do so would be astounding.

So I was disappointed, if not surprised, at the visceral horror with which Bernie Sanders reacted to the idea when interviewed by my colleague Ezra Klein. "Open borders?" he interjected. "No, that's a Koch brothers proposal." The idea, he argued, is a right-wing scheme meant to flood the US with cheap labor and depress wages for native-born workers. "I think from a moral responsibility, we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty," he conceded, "but you don't do that by making people in this country even poorer."

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1 posted on 07/29/2015 7:57:12 AM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner
There is no single policy that the United States could adopt that would do more good for more people. An average Nigerian worker can increase his income almost 15-fold just by moving to the United States, and residents of significantly richer countries like Mexico can more than double their earnings. The humanitarian gains of letting everyone who wants to make that leap do so would be astounding.

You can't solve the Third World's problems by moving them into our living rooms and giving them welfare.

2 posted on 07/29/2015 8:02:55 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Mariner

That article is predicated upon, what is probably one of the dumbest, most short sighted opinions I have ever read!


3 posted on 07/29/2015 8:03:37 AM PDT by MMaschin
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To: Mariner

international poverty?????

how about.......Intellectual poverty....bernie?


4 posted on 07/29/2015 8:03:46 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: Mariner

An average Nigerian worker can increase his income almost 15-fold just by moving to the United States, and residents of significantly richer countries like Mexico can more than double their earnings. The humanitarian gains of letting everyone who wants to make that leap do so would be astounding.


If too many people do this, too many come from 3rd world countries to America, then the Nigerian will not be able to increase his income by 15 fold any longer. If we suddenly had hundreds of millions of these people here, they would drag down prevailing wages in American so much, that he might rather stay in Lagos and look for a job there.


5 posted on 07/29/2015 8:03:46 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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From Article: “I’m sure Sanders believes that Nigerian lives and Bangladeshi lives and Haitian lives matter. But if he does, then his views on immigration must change”.


6 posted on 07/29/2015 8:04:44 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: Mariner
If I could add one amendment to the Constitution, it would be the one Wall Street Journal editorial page editor Robert Bartley once proposed: "There shall be open borders."

And there are many who agree with that, but few who will actually come out and say it. But they work for open borders with a different vocabulary and various political ruses and deceits.

And the article is correct. Open borders would average down the living standards in affluent nations and bring about some improvements in poor nations. That's already happening to some extent, but sure haven't heard any politicians stating those aims clearly.

Wealthy nations can help, but it's up to poor nations to reform themselves and improve their economic plight. There are too many poor nations and poor people to be made affluent by redistributing the wealth of affluent nations.

7 posted on 07/29/2015 8:06:19 AM PDT by Will88
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Uh, so never mind about the job that Nigerian takes from a legal citizen, never mind about the lack of vetting which allows rapists, violent criminals, pedophiles, chronic and fatal disease carriers, etc, to just come in, never mind the increasing welfare state, supported on the backs of the shrinking legal American middle class, etc. Who appointed every nationality, race, etc, entitled to their “dreams” at the expense of us legal taxpayers who were never asked if we wanted to be pillaged, and have our kid sit next to some kid in the government indoctrination centers, who may be carrying TB? And our kid has to show vaccination records, but the illegal’s kid doesn’t?


8 posted on 07/29/2015 8:07:02 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: RightGeek

And impoverishing us to do it-wait, that is the plan, that’s the goal of the redistributionists, to make us all equally poor-after they skim their cut, of course.


9 posted on 07/29/2015 8:08:18 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It appears that that’s already happening, considering what’s happening to the producers and the middle class in the US.


10 posted on 07/29/2015 8:09:12 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mariner

With just the one issue of illegal immigration, I can see why this next election could boil down to Sanders and Trump. They are both saying something the majority of American citizens want to hear.

The good news is criminal Hillary and that damn despicable Mexican wannabe two bit worthless hack of a Jeb Bush will be left in their dust.


11 posted on 07/29/2015 8:09:53 AM PDT by redfreedom (All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing - that's how the left took over.)
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We have to ask ourselves: How is it that Sanders, a flaming communist, and Trump, a...whatever the hell HE is...understands the negative impact...but ALL mainstream politicians keep feeding us the BS?

Answer: Big money crony capitalists are paying people in both parties to carry their water.

Immigration and "Free Trade" are two sides of the same coin.

12 posted on 07/29/2015 8:10:21 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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Wow, what would you do without brilliant Vox writers like Dylan Matthews? Sure, Dylan, let’s flood the country with even more Nigerians and Mexicanos. Throw in millions of Zimbabweans and Central Americans also. Let’s see if we can’t force wages down to 10 cents an hour. Perhaps five cents an hour for Vox writers. (Except in San Fransicko, where $15/hour will be mandated but there will be NO jobs.)


13 posted on 07/29/2015 8:10:57 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: RightGeek
That's not exactly what the "open borders" crowd has in mind just yet. What they want is to privatize the profits which they will make by paying them slave labour wages and have the rest of us subsidize the costs by lowering our standard of living by subletting our overly spacious homes.

They might even give us Section 8 vouchers for being gracious hosts.

14 posted on 07/29/2015 8:16:37 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Mariner

There is no single policy that the United States could adopt that would do more good for more people. An average Nigerian worker can increase his income almost 15-fold just by moving to the United States, and residents of significantly richer countries like Mexico can more than double their earnings. The humanitarian gains of letting everyone who wants to make that leap do so would be astounding.


Do they not teach basic Econ 101 anymore? My 10 year old can figure this one out in a minute.


15 posted on 07/29/2015 8:18:17 AM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: Mariner

PLEASE KNOW I AM NOT SHOUTING. simply CAN READ BETTER IN LARGER PRINT.

NOT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD CAN LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A QUOTA OF IMMIGRANTS FROM THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD TO BE ALLOWED LEGAL ENTRY EVERY YEAR.

CHANGES CAUSES UPHEAVEL. LET PEOPLE COME PROPERLY AND BE PROUD OF BEING IN AMERICA. WHEN THEY COME LET THEM APPRECIATE OUR GOVERNMENT AND FOLLOW THE PROCESS. CHANGES CAN CAUSE MUCH DISTRESS. TIME IS REQUIRED. Teach THEM THE IMPORTANCE OF FOLLOWING THE LAWS AND STATUTES OF America. IT TAKES TIME AND PATIENCE.

If THEY WANT WHAT THEY HAD IN THEIR COUNTRY LET THEM RETURN TO IT. NOT CHANGE AMERICA. WHAT America HAS ... HAS WORKED. LET US NOT LOSE IT. GOD BLESS AMERICA!


16 posted on 07/29/2015 8:19:00 AM PDT by geologist
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Why doesn’t Dylan Matthews give his job to one of these open border beneficiaries and he can live in a cardboard box with his spouse and children?

Why if there were complete open borders and a maximum wage law of $1.50 an hr, everyone could have 2 or 3 jobs and hamburgers would only cost 5 cents. And we could all live in cardboard boxes.


17 posted on 07/29/2015 8:19:06 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
If we suddenly had hundreds of millions of these people here, they would drag down prevailing wages in American so much, that he might rather stay in Lagos and look for a job there.

Now you are getting smart. At that point, we achieve One World Nirvana with our betters in complete charge. < / sarcasm >

18 posted on 07/29/2015 8:19:54 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Mariner

Bernie angling for a Donald/Bernie third-party run?


19 posted on 07/29/2015 8:22:34 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: redfreedom
"I can see why this next election could boil down to Sanders and Trump"

The "Racism" charge that will be leveled against Sanders will have far greater impact on him in a Democrat primary than on Trump in a Republican primary.

Except, just maybe, since Sanders is a know "good guy" to the communist left...Trump will find himself inoculated?

Perhaps it's the "Washington Cartel" that will find themselves isolated?

20 posted on 07/29/2015 8:24:55 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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