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No, Donald Trump is not a “true conservative”
Hotair ^ | 08/08/2015 | Taylor Millard

Posted on 08/09/2015 5:09:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: exist

RE: Besides Cruz and Trump, the candidates all have the same donors, supporters, and friends.

What they say during the campaign has no bearing on how they will govern.

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There is only one person who tries to consistently govern based on what he says and that is TED CRUZ.

Trump has switched opinions too many times to be trusted.


101 posted on 08/09/2015 7:28:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (qu)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump’s opportunism is the great danger but it is also the great opportunity, to be redundant.

Will he understand what just buttered his political bread big time, and respect that.

I think that if he does not, it will be self punishing. The honeymoon of the candidacy is going on. The marriage will be rocky if he does not love the spouse.


102 posted on 08/09/2015 7:32:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"The question now is what shall the rest of us do with this phenomenon."
Indeed.

"NOW" Trump is keeping Bush from leading in the polls and has gotten 10 million (or maybe twice that) to watch and listen to Cruz, Carson, etc. unfiltered in the debate.
People who wouldn't have otherwise done so.
Obviously what we should do NOW is make hay while this sun is shining.

103 posted on 08/09/2015 7:33:39 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: TNMOUTH

Scotland has a life expectancy of 77 years and Canada 81 years. In the United States it’s 79.

Yeah, Canada has a terrible health care system.


104 posted on 08/09/2015 7:40:23 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: sunrise_sunset
Life expectancy is not a good measure of a health care system. In the U.S. we have many people complaining about our health care system who engage is risky and unhealthy behaviors, who are non-compliant and who fail to take advantage of preventative measures and who are grossly obese. Of course they are going to skew the morbidity and mortality statistics.
105 posted on 08/09/2015 7:45:17 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Wouldn’t be a bad idea. I sure wouldn’t have the first idea how to do it.


106 posted on 08/09/2015 7:51:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If the fetus at one minute old is not alive, what is it?)
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To: TNMOUTH

A-frickin-men. Trump is Romney sewed up in a Godzilla suit. No coherent platform and a long record of liberal positions he now runs away from, all disguised by crash and bluster on the scale of a Toho Production.


107 posted on 08/09/2015 8:03:46 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines (Obama loves America the way OJ loved Nicole)
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To: SeekAndFind

Okay, then you’re not glad he urged to shut down the government to force defunding Planned Parenthood.

And I need go no farther. That’s the level of honesty here.

That’s schizophrenic behavior.

Others proposing this are revered and praised. Trump does it and you folks have a stroke.

Why even try to discuss something with you, when you’re that dishonest?


108 posted on 08/09/2015 8:04:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If the fetus at one minute old is not alive, what is it?)
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To: SeekAndFind
I have a number of issues that a candidate must support before I would vote for him or her. At the top of the list (because I believe all other rights and issues would be in jeopardy if it wasn't in effect) is the 2nd amendment.

15 years ago he wrote a book called The America We Deserve. In it he wrote "The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions. I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun."

A ban on assault weapons in my opinion makes the intent of the 2nd amendment null and void. I could never vote for someone who holds or has held that position.

109 posted on 08/09/2015 8:33:35 PM PDT by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obviously, you don’t know. Who speaks for conservatives on immigration? What is the litmus test for a “true conservative?


110 posted on 08/09/2015 8:35:04 PM PDT by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind
For me, Here is the Conservative Stance on Moral Issues..

You seem to be focused on the abortion issue rather than all moral issues.

Congress must do everything it can to protect life from conception to natural death.

I believe in individual responsibility and accountability. Depending on Congress and the Courts to protect life from conception isn't working. Roe vs Wade has placed the State on the opposite side of the issue. Congress has failed to defund PP making us all complicit in this slaughter including infanticide. How does Trump or anyone else turn this around? We need to change the laws or disobey them. Conservatives are supposed to believe in the Rule of Law.

Religious liberty and family values must be preserved and protected from popular passions and mob rule.

Does that extend to the practice of Islam? Under Islam it is permissible to have multiple wives. Should Sharia law be allowed? Does religious liberty extend to the treatment of women under Islam? What do you mean by family values? How do you define a family?

The family is the core unit of a healthy and functioning society. It consists of a mother and father, each endowed by our Creator with unique and necessary characteristics to model to children, making them best capable of raising the next generation with the values and skills they will need to fully participate and contribute to our society. As well as preserve the cherished ideals required for American Exceptionalism to be passed on to future generations.

73% of blacks are born out of wedlock. The single parent household is becoming the rule rather than the exception. SCOTUS has made gay marriage the law of the land. How does Trump or a true conservative change that?

State Lawmakers must explicitly define marriage as the union between one man and one woman, a definition that predates our nation by thousands of years. This is the oldest institution in human history for a reason. Because how a culture procreates and passes on its legacy to the next generation is critical to its survival and well-being.

The States have been overruled by the courts and federal laws. Many states had constitutional amendments defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman. They have been overturned.

Regarding the right to life, it is the most basic human right. The Founding Fathers recognized this and declared all to be “created equal” and “endowed with certain unalienable rights.” Chief among the God-given rights each and every human being possesses is life.

Do true conservatives believe in the death penalty?

In 1973 the Supreme Court declared war on the unborn child when it invented a constitutional right to abortion services. Millions of lives have been cut off even before they are born and the dignity of the unborn child is still under attack. The left continues to push for unrestricted abortion; even going as far as trying to force employers to pay for birth control for their employees.

The reality is that abortion is the law of the land. It is legal up to the point of delivery. The US is only 1 of 7 countries in the world that allows abortion beyond 20 weeks. The six other nations that allow elective abortion after 20 weeks include China, North Korea, Singapore, Vietnam, Netherlands, and Canada. Singapore and the Netherlands prohibit abortion at 24 weeks and the United States prohibits abortion at the point of viability. The rest have no restrictions in law.

Congress can capitalize on this momentum by permanently prohibiting federal funds from being used to pay for abortion services.

Prohibiting federal funds for abortion is already the law of the land. However, money is fungible. The taxpayer supplies PP with half a billion a year for women's health services. The money is supposedly not used for abortion. No one believes that.

OK, I’ve articulated the Conservative Position on Moral Issues. If you are a Trump supporter, are you certain that Trump believes CONSISTENTLY in what I have articulated, or are there areas in which he disagrees?

I am not a Trump supporter nor do I believe he is a true conservative. He professes to now be pro-life.

As I indicated, your criteria raise more questions than they answer. We have politicians who spout these values but really don't act on them. A Rep controlled Congress can't even defund PP. They will not shut down the government despite the mass slaughter that is going on at PP. I have lost all respect for both parties. The undercover videos released so far should be the cause of a national outrage. The MSM, by and large, continues to ignore it like they did the Gosnell case. We have become morally bankrupt as a country. None of the Rep candidates will change any of it.

111 posted on 08/09/2015 9:26:43 PM PDT by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind
Trump didn’t explain what might have changed in the last 15 years that would prevent the United States from adopting Canadian-style health care.

The national debt on January 3, 2000 was $5,751,743,092,605.50. It is now $18,151,322,549,156.91.

Since 2000 we have passed Prescription drugs as part of Medicare and added a $7.3 trillion unfunded liability and Obamacare, another massive entitlement program.

We have huge single payer medical programs now: Medicare with 47 million and Medicaid with 80 million on it. These programs will only grow as the baby boomers age. I know of no current sitting politician who proposes getting rid of Medicare or Medicaid. The GOP candidates all agree that they wish to preserve these programs.

Obama has explicitly said that Obamacare is just a transition to single payer for all medical care. The Reps in Congress had an opportunity to defund it and did not. They would rather pass symbolic bills and tell the uninformed voter that that will repeal Obamcare root and branch and replace it. Does it really matter what Trump says now about his plan 15 years ago or what it will be?

112 posted on 08/09/2015 9:39:08 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
What is the litmus test for a “true conservative?

Ask two "true conservatives" and you'll get three different answers.

113 posted on 08/09/2015 10:07:19 PM PDT by rdb3 (What did you dream? It's alright, we told you what to dream!)
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To: Starstruck

That’s the same Cruz that brags about not attacking the other candidates right? LMAO


114 posted on 08/09/2015 10:21:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If the fetus at one minute old is not alive, what is it?)
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To: TNMOUTH

Outside of Cruz, who is the perfect candidate these days?


115 posted on 08/09/2015 10:23:11 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women)
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To: DoughtyOne
That’s the same Cruz that brags about not attacking the other candidates right? LMAO

Don't remember him bragging about that. By the way if you laughed your ass off there wouldn't be much of you left would there?

116 posted on 08/09/2015 10:26:49 PM PDT by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: KosmicKitty

Actually, you’re the one that needs to read it.

If he’s a big fat lefty, why are all those groups against him?

It’s a whose who of the enemies of Conservatives.

They to a man are trying to destroy Trump.

Have you know them to vet Leftists out of our camp before?

Did they vet McCain out of our camp? How about Romney? Did they protect is from Dole?

Why do you folks think these Leftist are after Trump if he’s just like them?

Don’t bother explaining it to me. Explain it to yourself.


117 posted on 08/09/2015 10:32:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If the fetus at one minute old is not alive, what is it?)
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To: Starstruck

I know you are, but what am I?

Doesn’t fit, just the same age level.


118 posted on 08/09/2015 10:36:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If the fetus at one minute old is not alive, what is it?)
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To: DoughtyOne
I know you are, but what am I? Doesn’t fit, just the same age level

I was reading all your posts along with the teenage LMAO and LOL stuff and figured that's where you were at. Sorry if I misjudged your age. Trump does like them young.

119 posted on 08/09/2015 10:46:51 PM PDT by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: Starstruck

LOL

You think you really scored there right?


120 posted on 08/09/2015 10:53:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If the fetus at one minute old is not alive, what is it?)
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