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54.5 mpg isn't a done deal, EPA official says
Automotive News ^ | AUGUST 10, 2015 | Richard Truett

Posted on 08/10/2015 5:35:04 AM PDT by thackney

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To: thackney

I’m guessing they are holding out for 80mpg and a fleet of soapbox racers.


21 posted on 08/10/2015 6:35:56 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: thackney

The EPA is a FRAUD in search of a mission.

The EPA Charter was to ensure U.S. energy independence.

EVERYTHING it has done since, is at odds with that charter.


22 posted on 08/10/2015 6:46:57 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama is replicating the instruments of the fall of Rome)
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To: unread

I present to you... The Volt..

With it’s cooked books MPG it gets well over 100 MPG on gasoline and unicorn farts.


23 posted on 08/10/2015 7:01:20 AM PDT by cableguymn (We need a redneck in the white house....)
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To: thackney

They should talk the lying bastards.

Maybe they can explain the spill the caused by them up by Silverton Co? That one will contaminate all the water from there to the Gulf Of Baja as well as in NM.


24 posted on 08/10/2015 7:05:50 AM PDT by crz
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To: Paladin2

I shoulda read all the posts on this thread. That spill, comes from old mine sites...Gold mine sites. They are trying to claim its just Iron and Zink etc. Then, they say the reason they were messing with it was because of acid contamination.

Fact is..the stuff is loaded with mercury, and all the other things used to extract gold back in the day.

There are now no swimming and fishing alerts for Lake Powell. Where does that river run to after it goes through the Glen Canyon Dam?

OH but it will settle out! Ya right! That crap is water soluble and they can whine all they want. How many rapids are in the Grand Canyon?


25 posted on 08/10/2015 7:10:52 AM PDT by crz
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To: DaxtonBrown

Hey Dax. How long do you think before the people in Vegas will be drinking EPA water from the CO spill?


26 posted on 08/10/2015 7:12:36 AM PDT by crz
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To: Paladin2; thackney

I’m from the EPA and I’m here to help...........................


27 posted on 08/10/2015 7:23:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: crz

Back in their mining era (1860 CO rush started to 1921 for this mine) that stuff probably went down the same streams untreated. Little or no regulation for most of that time. So its already been there. Passage of time had fixed it.


28 posted on 08/10/2015 7:33:34 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change)
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To: Senator_Blutarski

Why stop at 1000 MPG, let’s convert all existing vehicles to run on unicorn flatulence for a 0% carbon hoofprint.


29 posted on 08/10/2015 7:40:15 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: JohnBovenmyer

Oh..so its OK that the EPA breached a settling pond hey?
Back in the day...was there several dams supplying water to huge areas like now?

They leached those contaminations slow back then, not that it was acceptable. They had nearly no idea and most likely did not care either.


30 posted on 08/10/2015 7:43:00 AM PDT by crz
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To: crz
"all the other things used to extract gold back in the day"

Cyanide

31 posted on 08/10/2015 7:53:27 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Ive given up on aphostrophys and spell chek on my current device...)
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To: thackney

First a Democrat Congress needs to repeal the Laws of Thermodynamics.


32 posted on 08/10/2015 7:58:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: thackney

“If consumers migrate to larger trucks, etc”

I need to know just what kind of vehicle these people think their plumber/landscaper/roofer/handyman uses for their work?

None of them can work out of a Prius, unless the handyman can. Farmers, ranchers, horse owners, FFA & 4-H people need trucks to perform their duties.

When there is no longer a plumber to come to the rescue of an enviro supporter, will they finally get the message?????


33 posted on 08/10/2015 8:35:11 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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reduced CO2!!!!!!””””

Since plants need CO2 to grow, we are slowly ceasing food production in the USA.


34 posted on 08/10/2015 8:41:02 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: thackney

Would never have one or ride in one. Don’t think it will hold up in a crash.


35 posted on 08/10/2015 8:42:07 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: crz

The Grand Canyon.


36 posted on 08/10/2015 8:43:17 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles
Since plants need CO2 to grow, we are slowly ceasing food production in the USA.

They need to get to that "sustainable" population of 500 million somehow.

37 posted on 08/10/2015 8:45:01 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: ridesthemiles

Ford F-150 Safety
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Ford_F-150/Safety/

That truck is made with foil.


38 posted on 08/10/2015 8:45:24 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

They will use law enforcement to get people out of the vehicles they do not want on the road anymore. stop for any reason. revenue officer claims to smell something and starts objected to, unwarranted search. plants something, and your vehicle is gone.

They do it now for vehicles they desire to have to sell for more of their ‘wishlist items’.


39 posted on 08/10/2015 8:54:03 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: crz
Of course it's not ok; I'm just providing some contrast to any presumption that this damage is irrevocable. Until this event modern folks thought of these streams as clean. Back in the day they weren't so how had they gotten that way. Mainly by passage of time. Back in the day there weren't near as many people living in this watershed, but those who did got their water from it. Their lack of knowledge and caring wouldn't have protected them from being affected by it, although their shorter life spans might have helped. If anything I'd think having the dams would help: the reservoir volume increases the dilution factor and the slower flow increases the sedimentation rate in what had been fast streams. Back in the day folks got their water, untreated, straight from the watershed. Nowadays water for homes, restaurants, motels, etc. will be pre-treated to 'safety' in spite of this. The spill may provide some supply limitations, but back in the day the supply was likely less and they couldn't truck in extra at need. Contamination of fish and game is a concern, but alternative supplies can be shipped in. Folks won't starve from their lack. Recreational exposure and exposure via irrigation remain a concern, but those weren't widely available back in the day. They, along with the fish and game, will recover in time.

Meanwhile my advice is to take the 'fine' specifically from the pile of funds available for EPA employee bonuses and specifically ban adding to that pile. Consider taking the entire cleanup and monitoring costs of this misadventure from there.

40 posted on 08/10/2015 8:57:05 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change)
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