Posted on 09/08/2015 2:04:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
A Kentucky clerk who defied orders to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples was released from jail Tuesday, but her lawyer says she will continue to resist until officials find a way to accommodate her religious opposition to gay unions.
Kim Davis emerged from the Carter County Detention Center to a swell of cheers from Christian supporters who'd been rallying outside the gates since she was ordered behind bars on Thursday.
She later was introduced to the crowd to the song "Eye of the Tiger," raising her hands above her head and weeping on stage with her husband, lawyer and Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee. Out before her flew a variety of signs and banners, including an American and a Confederate flag. Davis thanked the supporters and encouraged them to act as they believe God wanted.
"Just keep on pressing," Davis said. "Don't let down. Because He is here."
Her lawyer, Mat Staver, promised earlier that she would not back down until her demands were met.
"She's not going to violate her conscience," Staver said.
That set up another legal confrontation on a case that is becoming a case study on the backlash to a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that legalized gay marriage.
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Kim Davis’ lawyer essentially said that her release today just puts us back in square one.
Two other clerks in Kentucky — Casey Davis in Casey County, and Kay Schwartz in Whitley County — are also refusing to issue marriage license to same-sex couples based on the same religious-freedom argument. They have not been subject to any legal challenges, and so have not been threatened with jail.
Staver pointed out that Davis’ release also does nothing to address the issues in those other counties.
“Other clerks are going to have the same problem. They already do,” Staver said. “They just haven’t been targeted yet with jail time.”
So what do we do?
I am alarmed that the same arguments that have been used in support of gay marriage can be used in support of polygamy.
This was the prime argument that I made in the past and still make.
But the arguments against gay marriage (found in the scriptures) that can be used against gay marriage can also be used against divorce and remarriage (as there are scriptures that are against divorce and remarriage.
So do we have a “state” based upon scriptures that says:
1.) No to gay marriage?
2.) No to gay marriage but yes to divorce and remarriage even if it violates scripture(s)?
3.) No to both gay marriage and divorce and remarriage?
4.) Yes to both?
Then further into the article:
she has asked state officials to develop alternative ways for the licenses to be issued without requiring her to authorize them.
Please forgive me Lord. I'm starting to hate the enemedia.
We defy the courts to the extent that we can get away with, and we keep defying them.
Out of thin air Scotus created some (un)natural rights to abortion, sodomy, and fag marriage.
The first two do not require the assistance of society.
The last does. Scotus elevated fag marriage from not just an (un)natural right, but to a societal right like trial by jury and freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. These require assistance from, or protection from fellow citizens.
Trial by jury goes back at least to the Roman Republic, and freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures predates the US.
Scotus exercised power outside its enumerated authority; no one has any moral obligation to obey.
RE: Two other clerks in Kentucky — Casey Davis in Casey County, and Kay Schwartz in Whitley County — are also refusing to issue marriage license to same-sex couples based on the same religious-freedom argument. They have not been subject to any legal challenges, and so have not been threatened with jail.
Simple solution — SIMPLY PASS A LAW IN KENTUCKY FOLLOWING WHAT NORTH CAROLINA DID.
See here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/11/us-usa-gaymarriage-north-carolina-idUSKBN0OR1YX20150611
Title:
North Carolina lawmakers allow ‘opt-out’ over same-sex marriage
Many North Carolina officials and magistrates have already taken advantage of this law and gays can still marry because others who have no religious objections can do the job.
SEE HERE:
More than 30 North Carolina magistrates refuse to officiate marriages—but it’s legal
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It’s a simple compromise solution which can and should be done by Kentucky’s legislature to avoid court room battles.
So you want to defy the laws that allow gay marriage and thereby which are against the scriptures (and gay marriage clearly is against the scriptures) but you don’t want to fight for laws that would require adherence to the scriptures (such as those scriptures saying no to divorce and remarriage)?
Funny, there was a time when men fought against a church/state saying no to divorce and remarriage.
Will America finally get out of secular marriage licenses altogether?
Oh, that awful Confederate flag raises it's ugly head again! Shame.
Now tell me, why did they mention that??? Hmmmm.
This is not an over complication on my part, but rather an acknowledgement that man and mankind is inexorably drawn to tribalism and religious sectarianism.
There are the tribes that want either 2, 3 or 4.
That is what it pretty much boils down.
And they want the “state” to say no to the things that the scriptures don’t support (and I know that the scriptures don’t support gay marriage or divorce and remarriage) but to ignore the things that the scriptures also don’t support but which they want to ignore.
I also know there are also divorces and remarriages that aren’t supported by the scriptures, either.
If we have clerks (like Kim Davis) that are Catholic and they say no to gay marriage licenses and no to licenses that would allow divorce and remarriage most people would throw a fit about this.
They would say no to gay marriage licenses but yes to the licenses given to them even if they are divorced and seek remarriage and even if they also contradict the scriptures.
In the end, I see no way to avoid religious sectarianism as it is burned within mankind’s nature.
Divorce and remarriage are not an analog to homosexuality scripturally. Divorce and remarriage have many exception clauses, homosexualtity none.
It is true that homosexuals should enjoy all the rights of heterosexuals from a government standpoint. But marriage is not a right and the Constitution never mentions it. If marriage was a right states would have no business licensing it.
But religious freedom is a right, the first right and the founding principle of this nation. And it must be accommodated whether it be a public official or a private citizen.
As somebody once said, this far and not one more damn inch.
RE: So what do we do?
There’s a simple solution — SIMPLY PASS A LAW IN KENTUCKY FOLLOWING WHAT NORTH CAROLINA DID.
See here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/11/us-usa-gaymarriage-north-carolina-idUSKBN0OR1YX20150611
Title: North Carolina lawmakers allow ‘opt-out’ over same-sex marriage
Many North Carolina officials and magistrates have already taken advantage of this law and gays can still marry because others who have no religious objections can do the job.
SEE HERE:
Title: More than 30 North Carolina magistrates refuse to officiate marriages—but it’s legal
_________________________
It’s a simple compromise solution which can and should be done by Kentucky’s legislature to avoid court room battles.
Polygamy is a problem and will get through.
What gays really want is the freedom to molest boys and girls and that “sexual orientation” argument should worry you more than polygamy.
They have already won the “right” to groom them beginning in elementary school. Once they can confuse the children about who they are, before they even think of “sexuality” in any personal way, they will have a large pool of victims to hit on in Jr. high, high school and college.
This is the way they expand their “community” without the ability to have other people’s children - grooming little ones. That is why they want into children’s organizations like the boy scouts and girl scouts.
Divorce and remarriage going against the scriptures is adultery.
Adultery and homosexuality are both sexual sins, and Paul said that both lead to hell-fire.
If marriage is not a right, then who should traffic in it?
The government or churches or both?
If government, upon what? Secularism?
If Churches, upon what? Religious marriages?
If the two (church and state) should not be tied at the hip, then we would have an America where there were religious marriages conducted in churches and secular marriages conducted at whatever level of gov’t for everyone as long as they were of consensual age.
If we have both tied at the hip then all the scriptures would have to be adhered to, or we would make hypocrites of ourselves in God’s eyes.
It’s a simple compromise solution which can and should be
done by Kentucky’s legislature to avoid court room battles.
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Does it even need legislative approval? If a deputy clerk can issue the license and
will do so then it isn’t a problem. Just let that person issue the license and
those that don’t agree can keep their hands clean. I don’t know Kentucky law but
there has to be a way for documents to be filed/issued when the Clerk isn’t available,
or I’d think so.
One does not need anything sectarian or religious to affirm the futility of a man depositing his seed into another man’s mouth or rectal cavity. It is an unhealthy practice worthy of public condemnation and laws against it, as well as public policies that refuse to honor and uphold it.
Who then would do the job at the office where Kim Davis works?
She or someone else?
If I am not mistaken, she didn’t want anyone where she worked administering marriage licenses even those who have no religious objection.
What I don’t know at present us if she wants her office being under her control or if she wants her name to not be affixed.
If it is the latter, I have no personal problem with this.
In the end, you can expect religious objections to multiply, and I have no problem with that.
But you can expect them to multiply, as everyone with their own religious views will want a piece of the action...
RE: If a deputy clerk can issue the license and
will do so then it isn’t a problem.
That has been the question in Kentucky... can the signature of Deputy Clerks make the license valid?
Apparently only THE CLERK’s ( Kim Davis ) signature makes the license valid.
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