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The Trouble with Kids Today (it's all about IQ after all)
The Federalist ^ | 9/19/15 | Murray

Posted on 09/19/2015 12:08:13 PM PDT by pabianice

...IQ has a substantial direct correlation with measures of success in life, and it is also correlated with a variety of other characteristics that promote success...

...It’s not just that the IQ gap in working-class and upper-middle-class communities has gotten wider. The life penalties associated with low IQ have risen since 1960. If you focus on the economic changes since 1960, those with low IQ have faced a labor market in which the market value of a strong back has dropped while the value of brains has soared...

...If you focus on the reforms and social programs of the 1960s, the reductions in immediate penalties for destructive behavior (e.g., doing drugs, dropping out of school, grabbing purses, having a baby without marriage) had the most effect on people who were impulsive, attracted to immediate gratification, and unable to foresee long-term consequences—qualities associated with low IQ. The effects of such changes in incentives among the smart were much smaller....


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bookreview; charlesmurray; idiocracy; intelligence; intelligencequotient; iq; robertdputnam
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To: Fiddlstix

I have an extra trailer hitch in the cargo area-I don’t remember why it is there...


121 posted on 09/19/2015 2:45:05 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: ex-snook

Thank you! Without jobs, even decent people are forced onto government benefits.


122 posted on 09/19/2015 2:46:30 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: pabianice
My late mom was invited to join Mensa. She went twice. When I asked her why she stopped going, she said, “Pabianice, they are the most boring people I’ve ever met. All they do is talk about themselves.”

My IQ was tested in school as 146, so I qualify for Mensa, yet never felt a need to join. I manage to meet quite a few really smart people at work, so I have no need to go out of my way to go to a Mensa meeting to have smart people to talk to. Then there's FR and other sites which provide a place to discuss politics and philosophy with smart people.

I've met some Mensa people. They strike me as smart people who are to some degree dysfunctional.

123 posted on 09/19/2015 2:51:05 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Texan5
LOL! Because it's better to have it and not need it than it is to need it and not have it...
That's why
124 posted on 09/19/2015 2:53:01 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I would expect that during the last decade or so, there is a clustering of IQs in that area from many different ethnic groups.


125 posted on 09/19/2015 3:00:48 PM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
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This test is obviously broken. LOL.

126 posted on 09/19/2015 3:01:07 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: pabianice

I am trying to figure out which number is fudged more: IQ or a golf handicap. This thread has me leaning toward IQ, but I haven’t seen a golf score thread yet. By the way, my IQ is 187, and I am a scratch golfer.


127 posted on 09/19/2015 3:02:26 PM PDT by needmorePaine
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To: roadcat

LMAO!


128 posted on 09/19/2015 3:04:50 PM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: Fiddlstix

That is reason enough for me-the hitch stays where it is...


129 posted on 09/19/2015 3:07:22 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: euram

The point about low IQ being a cause of the gap between those who succeed and those who will be shut out and therefore struggle is easy to see. When you think about it, every occupation has a minimum I Q required to be even minimally competent at that job. The lower the IQ the less number of jobs you can potentially perform and the pay is always lower down there. Checkmate, most of this social engineering is simply useless.


130 posted on 09/19/2015 3:07:35 PM PDT by Sam Clements
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I’ve always thought us engineers would be the ticket to happiness for the babes.


131 posted on 09/19/2015 3:07:40 PM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: DoughtyOne

It is ridiculous to reduce all that goes on in the noggin to ONE number, and that formulated by a godless version of science.

I’d be curious to see evaluations pursued in the vein of a Moral Quotient and a Spiritual Quotient.


132 posted on 09/19/2015 3:10:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Sam Clements

There is another dimension of thought life called Wisdom which is not even evaluated by the modern psychological tests.

With Wisdom, one might not need to be an Einstein to deal effectively with challenging issues. That is the difference between strategy and brute force.


133 posted on 09/19/2015 3:12:45 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: pabianice
"So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot".

George Orwell

134 posted on 09/19/2015 3:24:13 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: pabianice

This pretty much reinforces Murray’s work in his book “The Bell Curve” 1994.


135 posted on 09/19/2015 3:30:59 PM PDT by truth_seeker (come with the outlws.)
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To: BenLurkin; pabianice
I am coming late to this thread and I have no desire to read 134 responses to see if someone else has said this. So forgive me if this is redundant.

"Do I-phones lower IQ?"

The objective answer is "No."

But the subjective reality, viewed in light of the way in which the device is utilized is emphatically "Yes!"

There's a joke that's been going around for a while now. It goes like this:

"I have in my pocket a small device that can access virtually the entire sum of human knowledge from the founding of civilization through the nuclear and space age.

It includes the writings and speculations of every great philosopher and scientist the world has ever known.

I use it to play video games and argue with strangers."

In short, the iPhone is a part of the pop culture that substitutes activity and information for understanding.

136 posted on 09/19/2015 3:49:41 PM PDT by shibumi ("Sharpei Diem" (Sieze the Wrinkled Dog)
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To: null and void

I purposely didn’t mention politicians.


137 posted on 09/19/2015 3:55:52 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: miss marmelstein

Having a high IQ doesn’t mean a person can’t make bad mistakes and be a total s**t. There are plenty of high IQ people who are disasters as human beings.


138 posted on 09/19/2015 3:58:23 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: SkyPilot

That chart and what it means is surely a forbidden discussion.

I read “The Bell Curve” in 1994 and understand what it says, and doesn’t say.


139 posted on 09/19/2015 4:13:49 PM PDT by truth_seeker (come with the outlws.)
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To: truth_seeker

140 posted on 09/19/2015 4:47:06 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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