Posted on 09/25/2015 5:53:26 PM PDT by markomalley
First it was “f---king Jews.” Now Ann Coulter has turned her attention to Catholics.
In response to a tweet from David Limbaugh who spoke in agreement with Catholics who object to Pope Francis’s economic critique, Coulter tweeted, “I’m an American and this is why our founders (not ‘immigrants’!) distrusted Catholics & wouldn’t make them citizens.”
Some might argue that she is merely being sarcastic. Please forgive me if I fail to see the sarcasm of “f---king Jews.” But if her comments about Catholics were an attempt at sarcasm, it might be useful if she attempted to demonstrate a rudimentary knowledge of American history.
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She’s right about this Pope Mark and her Jewish comment was in reference to Hillarys old comment....but that doesn’t stop folks taking it out of context to their own ends
I never knew modern Catholicism was 90% good works and 10% Christ
So I looked into it
Your problem my man as observed by me just a good old boy southern baptist started 50 years ago with Vatican II
NO QUESTION ABOUT IT
You guys need to get your church back for the sake of the world
Good luck
What a stark divergence from the previous two who we all admired
Some kind of Protestant?
Yeah they’re all alike....
/s
You.
85 is the terminal normal for indulging the public in discourse. It would seem that benchmark, is now a high normal.
Yes. In carbon credits and food stamps, just like you.
I think she has misspoken. There’s a Catholic signatory on the Declaration of Independence. But if I’m guessing correctly at what she means, she is somewhat truly stating what was a legitimate concern with mass immigration of Catholics in the 1840’s, German and Irish, with most of the concern being about the Irish ones.
I thought it was proven that the “F Jews” thing was a sly quote from Hillary that Ann used to mock Hillary? Not in the best of taste I admit, but still this is FR and we like to find the correct context for quotes.
She needs to read about the Maryland Colony.
It’s a church controlled exclusively by people who don’t engage in heterosexual relationships. Nancy Pelosi’s congressional district would be the nearest comparable demographic.
Still not bothered by Coulter’s sarcasm despite the fact I’m a f___ Catholic, and not a f___ Jew.
I’m almost extremely offended, by your comments about Ann Coulter’s comments about someone else’s comments.
Sorry Ann, grandfather came to stay and now we’ve spread like a virus. I’m American of Roman Catholic Italian descent, and out of 41 first cousins two are liberal. 39 are very conservative.
What is she right about?
Oh, I GET IT. She’s not really insulting anybody. It’s sarcasm for geniuses like you!!!
No, it’s an insulting comment to Catholics whether used for sarcasm or not.
Kinda hurts a little sometimes.
“The priest, a very nice man, gave us very little in the way of the Bible, but a LOT in the way of leftist nonsense.
His homilies contained subjects like the death penalty (it’s bad!).
But pro-life? Never.
He initially had petitions against same-sex marriage, but the next week he removed them, but never told us why.
I am CERTAIN that some “Good Catholics” told him that they wouldn’t come to the church anymore if he did that.
So he folded like a cheap tent.
If I wanted to listen to some squish drone on about leftist causes and continuously ask for money, I can go to some Episcopalian church down the road.”
True, but Jesus didn't promise us all good priests and homilies. Nothing can replace the Sacrifice of the Mass. A good priest and homily is a bonus.
As for suffering with bland hymns, liberal priests and lame homilies, it's not much in comparison to Christ's suffering.
Yes - Charles Carroll (Catholic - Maryland) was a signatory of the Declaration of Independence
http://www.biography.com/people/charles-carroll-21262233
And Daniel Carroll (Catholic - Maryland) was a signatory of the Articles of Confederation and of the US Constitution. And Catholic Thomas Fitzsimons (Pennsylvania) was a signatory of the US Constitution. And both men served in the First United States Congress.
There were other Catholics who served in the Continental Army
General Stephen Moylan a noted cavalry commander and the first Muster Master-General of the Continental Army.
Captains Joshua Barney and John Barry, two of the most successful naval commanders in the American Revolution.
Colonel John Fitzgerald was a trusted aide and private secretary to General George Washington.
Colonel Thomas Moore led a Philadelphia regiment in the War.
Thomas Fitzsimons also served as a Pennsylvania militia company commander during the Trenton campaign. Later in the War he helped found the Pennsylvania state navy.
Then there were those Catholics from France and Poland who assisted the Continental Army - including LaFayette, Duportail and Pulaski.
Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette
After the War George Washington paid tribute to the role Catholics played in the American Revolution:
As mankind become more liberal they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protection of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations in examples of justice and liberality. And I presume that your fellow-citizens will not forget the patriotic part which you took in the accomplishment of their Revolution, and the establishment of their government; or the important assistance which they received from a nation in which the Roman Catholic faith is professed.
But if I’m guessing correctly at what she means, she is somewhat truly stating what was a legitimate concern with mass immigration of Catholics in the 1840’s, German and Irish, with most of the concern being about the Irish ones.
But that is not what she said. She said “I’m an American and this is why our founders (not ‘immigrants’!) distrusted Catholics & wouldn’t make them citizens.” Not true.
Perhaps Ann should do some reading instead of writing seemingly drunken Twitter rants:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
And
“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.” - Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
“We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition… In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.” - Founding Father George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793
“We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.” - Founding Father John Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785
“I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.” - Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, January 26, 1799
Then again and in all fairness Jefferson, who was in his personal beliefs, vehemently anti- Catholic, anti-“Papist” also wrote (and the term “priest-ridden” I don’t think necessarily was meant to apply to only Catholics but to the clergy in general):
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.” - Founding Father Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813
Jefferson was FWIW, also personally opposed to Calvanism:
His [Calvin's] religion was demonism. If ever man worshiped a false God, he did. The being described in his five points is ... a demon of malignant spirit. It would be more pardonable to believe in no God at all, than to blaspheme him by the atrocious attributes of Calvin.
But then again despite his personal beliefs Jefferson also said:
“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual.”
“State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society. We have solved … the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.” - Founding Father Thomas Jefferson: in a speech to the Virginia Baptists, 1808
And also said:
But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. - Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
The Declaration of Independence and the ratification of the US Constitution made all colonists (well except for the slaves and natives – native Indians) US citizens regardless of their religion. Yes some states and jurisdictions continued to discriminate against not only Catholics but other Christian sects as far as voting rights and being able to hold public office based on religion and some did so for many years but that was not in the spirit of and clearly not the intention of the Declaration and the US Constitution and the beliefs of the Founders, even where their personal religious beliefs made them prejudiced against the beliefs of some others beliefs; they made it very clear that religious liberty and freedom of conscience without government interference, and that there should be religious litmus test for citizenship or in holding public office, was very important and those discriminatory laws and statutes were eventually overturned on Constitutional grounds.
No Ann on local radio.
Just Rush and copycats.
“Now take that chart and compare it to Revelations 17, and HISTORY...”
I know Rev. 17 and have a PhD in History. That’s exactly why I said what you posted makes no sense.
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