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Transitioning: Is It Sexual Assault to Force a Woman to Shower Alongside the Transgendered?
PJ Media ^ | 10/02/2015 | Rod Kackley

Posted on 10/02/2015 7:08:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Courts, businesses, schools and legislatures grapple with transitioning reality.

Caitlyn Jenner is now a woman in the eyes of the law. The transgendered woman, who has become an international symbol of the right to choose one’s own sexual identity, legally switched genders Sept. 25.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Gerald Rosenberg signed the paperwork. Now the woman who was born William Bruce Jenner on Oct. 28, 1949, can get a new driver’s license and Social Security card, along with all of the other government documents that everyone needs.

But will that be enough to allow the former Olympic athlete to enter the women’s locker room at Planet Fitness? Maybe. And if she does, will Caitlyn’s new legal status be enough for the women who would be changing their clothes and showering alongside her?

The answer has to be “no” for Michigan woman Yvette Cormier. She has sued her local Planet Fitness franchise and the national gym chain’s parent company because her membership was cancelled after Yvette refused to stop warning other women about a transgendered woman — male appendage still intact — that she saw in the showers.

Her suit claims emotional distress, numerous violations of the Michigan Consumer Protection Act, and an invasion of privacy were all caused by Planet Fitness’ policy of allowing transgenders to change and shower with women.

However, the judge hearing the case is having trouble dealing with the allegation at the heart of Yvette’s legal action: that simply the presence of a man claiming to be a woman in the locker room and showers of Planet Fitness constitutes sexual harassment under the Elliott-Larsen Civil Rights Act.

Midland County, Mich., Circuit Court Judge Michael Beale pointed out in a 90-minute hearing that Yvette was never touched by the transgendered woman in question. But her attorney, David Kallman, argued a transgender-friendly policy is “sexual in nature by allowing men in the women’s locker room,” not to mention the fact that women and men are naked together in the same locker room and taking showers together.

Arthur Pressman, an attorney for Planet Fitness, spoke for his client when he told reporters, “We don’t judge our members and we don’t allow them to judge each other.”

Try telling that to the parents of children in the Troy City Schools in Troy, Ohio.

Kids in that school system are allowed to choose which restroom and locker room they use, depending on their “sense of gender,” regardless of which sex they were assigned at birth.

“I think there’s a lot of unnecessary fears around this. For our son, who started his transition in high school, he used the boy’s bathroom and it was honestly a non-event,” Laticia Miller, parent of a transgender student, told WKEF-TV after the school district held a public meeting led by the head of Cincinnati Children’s Hospital’s transgendered clinic to help parents of the rest of the kids deal with their fears.

“We need to understand showering or dressing next to a member of the transgendered is nothing to get excited about,” a social worker explained to parents during a similar meeting in an upstate New York school district.

“Gender originates in the brain. It has nothing to do with external genitalia at all and it is not a choice for transgender people,” Patricia Jordan told WICZ-TV.

It is still all about external genitalia in Massachusetts, where the state’s governor and a dozen of its largest cities are at odds over what the Massachusetts Family Institute calls “the Bathroom Bills.”

Ironically, the debate is taking place in the fictional home state of Cage, Fish & Associates, the law firm where Ally McBeal and her associates shared a unisex restroom [1] on the Fox TV show.

Boston Mayor Martin J. Walsh and eleven of his mayoral peers announced their support for Senate Bill 735 and its companion, House Bill 1577, in early September.

The legislation would extend Massachusetts’ non-discrimination laws by adding gender identity to the list of protected classes, granting explicit protection for transgender people in public spaces.

“Everyone has the right to enjoy retail stores, hotels, restaurants, hospitals, theaters, public parks, and public transportation,” said Mayor Walsh. Left unspoken by Walsh is the real intent of the bills: to make sure everyone can choose which bathroom to use.

If the Legislature passes what Walsh has endorsed, Gov. Charlie Baker (R) has promised to veto it. Although he has not issued an official statement, Baker has said through his top aides that he would prefer the state’s non-discrimination laws be left alone.

Kris Mineau, the board chairman and president emeritus of the Massachusetts Family Institute, has been much more outspoken in opposition to the legislation.

“If House Bill 1577 becomes law, men will be allowed to shower with women and young girls in gyms, and schoolchildren as young as kindergarten will be allowed to co-mingle in bathrooms,” Mineau told the Daily Item. “No law should make whole segments of the population feel unsafe and exploit their privacy and security.”

And then there is what actress Courtney Thorne-Smith, who played the role of Georgia Thomas on the Ally McBeal show, said about using a unisex bathroom: “There is just so much room to play in there.”



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gender; shower; transgender
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To: Tau Food
Obviously, it would be inappropriate to allow men to use the school showers when little girls are forced to use them.

But here's where this is going: let's say an adult male who keeps his male parts (like Bruce Jenner) but lives as a woman, gets a job as a girl's gym teacher. If my 7th-grade lesbian gym teacher is any example, "she" will soon be peeking into the shower to "make sure" everyone is disrobed and showering. And if "she" molests a girl, it will be because "she" is a lesbian, and thus any objections against her behavior are "phobia."

This will not be solved until the muslim kids start having to shower in public schools. Then it will be stopped — for them.

41 posted on 10/02/2015 9:22:45 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: Tau Food
” ... no one should ever be forced to shower in public places if they are for any reason uncomfortable”

Back in the 1960s when I was in (public) high school, there were several private shower stalls in both the boys’ and girls’ locker rooms for students who were too embarrassed to use the common shower room. I was told that there was always a line in the girls’ locker room to use the private stalls.

42 posted on 10/02/2015 9:24:45 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Pearls Before Swine
In all the blather about considering the feelings of the transgendered, why is there no talk about the feelings of normal women?

Because saying the word "normal" is "queerphobic" and "transphobic".

Just try to define a sexually normal person without sounding "exclusionary" of the "other gendered". It isn't possible in a single word. It requires a whole long string of words. Confusion breeds its own.

43 posted on 10/02/2015 9:30:41 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: SeekAndFind

““Gender originates in the brain. It has nothing to do with external genitalia at all and it is not a choice for transgender people,” Patricia Jordan told WICZ-TV.”

Oh, this is too choice.

Patty admits that transgenderism is a mental disorder!!


44 posted on 10/02/2015 9:41:14 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: MrB
Just another Satanic upheaval of God’s Creation.

Yep. That's what it is.

It is pretty easy to recognize it if you are looking for it. Look at what is opposite to God's design or a malign counterfeit to God's Word and His Will and ... BINGO!.

It kind of reminds me of the Liberal Agenda or the Democrat Party Platform. Their processes, assumptions and goals all run counter to every one of the Ten Commandments.

45 posted on 10/02/2015 11:35:43 AM PDT by Gritty (The question is not will Muslim migrants kill Americans but how many will they kill?-D.Greenfield)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Swedish Bikini Team is in town today at the local pool? Although my genitalia says I'm a male, I feel like today I might be a female. I think I'll go down to the pool and use the women's locker room. With the mindset of liberals today, who will stop me?

Of course, tomorrow after the Swedish babes leave, I might feel like a male again. Don't judge me. The liberal establishment has spoken. They know everything. /s

46 posted on 10/02/2015 11:45:54 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: Vigilanteman
"normal people do not care to be vulnerable and stark naked when there is a sexual freak in the immediate vicinity."

At my last place of work before I retired, there was a male individual who after forty years of living decided he was a female. So he started dressing in women's clothes and was for a time allowed to use the female locker room.

The women were less than thrilled to see this person among them while they were dressing for work and doing other things. They finally created a special dressing room for this mentally damaged person.

47 posted on 10/02/2015 11:50:52 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: driftless2
Had a similar situation in another plant of the company where I work. They finally keyed the visitor's ladies room and gave it the key and its' own private privy.

A sign directed them to ask for the key and female visitors were escorted to the ladies room in the plant. Nobody wanted to take the chance of them encountering the one man freak show.

The company finally gave it an attractive severance offer to exit.

48 posted on 10/02/2015 11:57:15 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: CaptainK
If women shouldn’t be bothered by showering with a tranny then the tranny shouldn’t be bothered by showering with men.

Now that's got to be about the best comment I've heard on this whole subject.

49 posted on 10/02/2015 3:04:17 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (It is the nature of liberals to pervert whatever they touch.)
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To: SeekAndFind

BTTT

10/8/15

“University of Toronto Dumps Transgender Bathrooms After Peeping Incidents”

http://www.dailywire.com/news/330/university-toronto-dumps-transgender-bathrooms-pardes-seleh


50 posted on 10/09/2015 6:18:10 AM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: cincinnati65

” ... That’s common sense thinking, so it doesn’t apply anymore.”

Ah, common sense. That be so old skool.


51 posted on 10/09/2015 6:38:16 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Before it can get any better it has to stop getting worse - vote 4 most conservative available)
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