Posted on 10/02/2015 11:50:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Nope, but it was a step in the right direction.
I didn’t stop Obama from getting elected by refusing to vote for him.
Wow, that’s some story to tell! I’ll bet you later realized what danger you had been in when you were old enough to know the effective range of a sniper!!
Did not mean to ruffle friend. Propaganda always needs to be refuted. No news is still good news for me. Choot em all in the woods.
How about releasing them from liability for referrals other than in outrageous cases. Same for the health care professionals treating them. And on the other side, allow someone committed, an odd standard, to clear his record. And require states to report commitments, instant check is useless without the data.
In Illinois, being a liberal state, any stay in a mental health facility and you can't own or possess a firearm for five years. It can be corrected, the unions do it for LEOs, for you and I it's expensive and problematical. So if I were an alcoholic and decided on inpatient treatment, I'd lose my 2nd amendment rights. How stupid is that
And, being a liberal state, I understand Illinois is one of the states that doesn't share records with the feds. So if I'm involuntarily committed as a danger, instant check will never know.
Guess we disagree. I’d place the ability to refute propaganda, which can only be done with information, over suppressing the news. I do understand your point, shared by the local Sheriff.
It’s a step in the right direction? Hogwash. He won’t change the direction of anything. That’s the reality. One can try but they’ll fail. You can’t censor reality.
This is basically terrorism regardless of what his motives or issues were. They like big and spectacular to instill fear etc. It’s what terrorism is. Should mass murdering 911 terrorist and their organization been censored? Was the shooters motive a form a terrorism or was he simply a nutcake? We don’t even know that and might never.
All of the victims were much closer to campus than our house, although we did have a clear line of sight of the UT Tower (as did most of central Austin).
I just remember we kept hearing rifle shots in the distance until my mother heard what was happening on the radio and drug us all back in the house.
I have no problem publicizing what a sick son of a bitch he was, what his background was, what psychiatric drugs he was taking, or what his possible motives were. I just don’t want his name to be remembered 50 years from now like Charles Whitman.
There are only two ways to reduce the number of mass shootings by psychopaths: (1) allow concealed carry everywhere so that psychopaths won’t have safe havens where they know their victims will be unarmed, and (2) stop giving the psychopaths the fame and immortality that they crave.
When I look at some of these young men involved in these, I always wonder how much a role the grim economic reality plays. I believe one of the pages I saw said he made less than $25K; that was low when I was his age a couple of decades ago (at least in my area (northern NJ), and buys even less today. I don’t know how long these young people can sit around (working or not) with these crappy jobs and limited or no access to many things people 20 years and older have (homes, cars, families) before they realize they have no future. TV commercials show a lot of expensive things I’ll never be able to afford, but I made a trade-off many years ago when I started a family - and I understood that at the time (growing up in just such a household). I feel lucky to have a job where, though I feel underpaid and have to deal with debt, I don’t have to use ObamaCare and I work a 40 hour week (with paid holidays, vacation and such); I couldn’t imagine what would happen if I lost it (since the economy here seems even worse than in 2007-2008).
While many FReepers feel they brought it on themselves (and in some cases that may be true), I genuinely sympathize with young Americans today. Twenty plus years ago in college business professors warned us we would be the first generation that did not enjoy the same standard of living as our parents, and they were absolutely right.
I propose a “High-capacity” journalism ban - ONE article on the shooting and that is it - the shooter is no more than a footnote in history - no “continuing coverage” to glorify the creep.
Mercer was obsessed with how much notoriety the other shooters received. Does anyone in the media make a connection?
That's very commendable, but his name will be well documented long after that. Attempting to stop folks from documenting known facts is just not going to happen.
But I do agree with #1.
A good point, though there are millions in similar circumstances, probably millions more in similar circumstance when you add those living on the government tit. And only a handful of mass murderers. Though plenty who turn to crime/gangs for acceptance. Throw into the mix class warfare as practiced by the administration, coupled with economic hopelessness competing with illegals for jobs, could killers be created, yes, I think you're correct. I give you the increased risk police officers operate under.
Yes, and that's the point the sheriff is making. He explicitly challenged the media to not give the perpetrator the posthumous attention he sought, because he believes (correctly, in my opinion) that the media's response is encouraging further atrocities.
As I wrote earlier, research has suggested that the saturation media coverage makes it more likely that someone else will commit a similar crime in the next 14 days. If you have ever wondered why they seem to occur in clusters, you aren't alone.
Are his actions futile? Yes, of course -- ratings trump responsible reporting. But, he's taking a stand and leading by example.
I understand all that. His motive is not complex and it’s commendable. My only comment was it’s pointless in this world and would never be kept secret from the public anyway. Sad for sure but it’s what it is.
Btw, not all those who commit mass murders do so to get famous. I believe a good percentage go off due to anger and rage. Not too long ago this guy wiped out a beauty salon full of people in CA. It was over a marital/divorce thing.
We seem to have no shortage of folks who’d commit such acts. It’s all very unfortunate.
Agreed, the mental health angle is not very helpful, although what you say would do some good. I believe there are mental health professionals who have kept quiet and had their clients become involved in this type of activity and basically had to suck it up and live with it because to have come forward would have resulted in the loss of their practice. (Even with a release of liability)
However, there are cases where people should be able to put a roadblock up for the purchase of firearms. Even though this could easily be abused as well.
When you reach a decision that the person (a) needs more help than you can give, and (b) is likely a danger to you and others, then you should be able to file committment papers which would have the effect of an evaluation and possible inclusion into the records that are searched as part of a background check. This would be a serious step, but one of these killers started by killing his mother. She probably wished she had taken some stronger steps as she died.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/02/record-94610000-americans-not-labor-force/ RECORD 94,610,000 AMERICANS NOT IN LABOR FORCE .
I don’t envy cops; their job is only going to get tougher. Here in NJ people who are doomed financially tend to just walk in front of a train rather than kill a bunch of people.
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