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Stark San Francisco income gap between whites, African Americans
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | October 4, 2015

Posted on 10/04/2015 7:02:54 PM PDT by artichokegrower

For many, San Francisco income levels have been steadily rising the last four years.

The median household income for whites reached $104,300 last year, up 14 percent since 2011, according to recently released census data. The annual household median rose for Latinos and Asians, as well.

But not all have fared as well during the city's seemingly relentless explosion of wealth.

In the same span, the median income of San Francisco's shrinking black population fell to $29,500, a 5 percent decline. It's even lower than what blacks make in Oakland or San Bernardino County, the most affordable part of the state.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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To: artichokegrower

$29K black SF wages? Geez, how does anybody live in SF for less than $100K?


21 posted on 10/04/2015 7:25:22 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Mastador1

Or Veterans vs Non Veterans. So sad to see many U.S. soldiers, at least that is what they say when they pan handle...the pan handling capitol of the USA for sure. Real artists at hustling the tourists.


22 posted on 10/04/2015 7:25:43 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: econjack


23 posted on 10/04/2015 7:28:45 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen (When the going gets tough--the Low Information President Obie from Nairobi goes golfing/fundraising)
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To: econjack

I won’t argue with what you are trying to say, but your numbers are misleading. Your 72% assumes one father for each child born. It is still 72%, or there about, of the kids being born out of wedlock but the percentage of men doing it may be significantly less. A number of men are fathering children with many women. So, the number of black men ducking their parenting responsibility may be 60%, 50%, or less. Just saying... I have nothing better to do tonite. :)


24 posted on 10/04/2015 7:31:42 PM PDT by Purdue77 ("shall not be infringed")
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To: artichokegrower

What a racist liberal city.

Given that we are talking about San Francisco and that blacks actually have a higher sense of morality (not supporting homosexual behavior) than whites, perhaps the problem is that blacks do not want the job of Gay Bar bouncer and things like that.


25 posted on 10/04/2015 7:34:55 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: artichokegrower
I have often thought that the way to eliminate generational poverty was to remove all children born to underage single mothers from their homes permanently. Most would do better in an institution than with their poor unwed birth mother.

Ad to that the fact that no welfare of any kind would be given to unwed mothers who do not name a father on the birth certificate. If they do not know they should not keep the child. If it could be more than one, name them and they should be tested and forced to pay for their creations.

If none is found the child is removed, permanently.

The Great Society programs incentives broken homes and poverty in and of themselves. They provide just enough to live just a comfortable life that nothing will change. You will not starve or be left on the street, but you will also have no incentive to do much better.

26 posted on 10/04/2015 7:38:55 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: digger48
Why, oh why don’t they share their wealth?

They probably follow the lead of Boxer, Pelosi, and Feinstein, and think it's far nobler to share OPM than their own.

27 posted on 10/04/2015 7:39:16 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: artichokegrower
The last time I was in SF was 10 years ago, and it was a craphole then (literally). I can't even imagine what it must be like now.

Yay liberalism!

28 posted on 10/04/2015 7:42:33 PM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: artichokegrower
Housing prices are high in SF. Tech companies that are located in SF and want to hire employees have to pay them enough to relocate and work in the area. That kind of work usually requires a 4 year degree or better with some track record. How many blacks have that level of achievement to be recruited and relocated to SF? The income gap is a consequence of an achievement gap. Blacks are 4.5% of CS grads, but 2% of actual hires in Silicon Valley. Hispanics are 6.5% of CS grads and 3% of Silicon Valley hires. That said, simply graduating says nothing about ability to do the job or how well those grads compare against the rest of the CS grads competing for those jobs. There are simply too few with the necessary achievement levels to tip the proportions.

The parties whining about income "gap" are not examining why. They simply was to "fix" the "problem" by handing the under achievers a pile of money to make them feel better without any requirement to perform better.

29 posted on 10/04/2015 7:46:02 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Jim from C-Town

I understand what you are saying but I disagree. Children long to have a connection to their biological parents. It is just innate. They may be imperfect, but they are theirs. Children should only be removed from their biological parents in cases of abuse.

I do think there is a problem with rewarding child bearing so that some women seem to choose it as a “profession.” The more we politically move away from the natural family and the responsibility of two biological parents, the bigger the problem we are going to have.

Your idea would snatch children from a biological mother and potentially place the child with a two person homosexual situation. THAT is NOT better.

What we need to do is reward right behavior more than wrong behavior. If those welfare mothers received some sort of incentive that was greater than the incentive to produce more children, then they might make the better choice.

There are many variables. Some of it is about substance abuse. Those kids usually need a better option. Some of it is about learned dependency. That situation is the most fixable. Some of it is about tragedy — again that should be more fixable.

There are many things to consider, but never forget that we are talking about human beings who have emotional needs. One of those very strong needs is to have a tie to their biological roots. You can fix nothing by disregarding that.


30 posted on 10/04/2015 7:49:51 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: umgud
$29K black SF wages? Geez, how does anybody live in SF for less than $100K?

Several ways. There are old-timers remaining who bought homes when they were cheap, decades ago. No mortgage, low property taxes, living on SS. And their young black family members freeloading off grandma and grandpa. I know a few, the young men are in their thirties and forties still living at home.

There are still public housing projects, where blacks get freebies on the public dime.

Then there are the outer neighborhoods, streets crowded with parked cars because each house has five or more cars - because people are jammed into each home to share the rent. You can't park anywhere in SF anymore because the residential homes are overcrowded with tenants.

31 posted on 10/04/2015 8:14:40 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: umgud

The new graduates I know making about $80 k are living with 10-15 people in the three story houses out by Golden Gate Park. No way you get your own apartment at $100k.


32 posted on 10/04/2015 8:15:23 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
If those welfare mothers received some sort of incentive that was greater than the incentive to produce more children,

And that would be what? The only thing that will stop those breeders from having more children is to NOT!!! reward them for doing so.

33 posted on 10/04/2015 8:24:54 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The answer is in the “Bell Curve”. And the “problem” is not just in SF but everywhere in the world - even is South Africa.

Oh, and I’m sure that if they look at the income disparity between asians and blacks, it is even bigger.

It’s hard to explain reality when you insist on wishful assumptions contrary to reality.


34 posted on 10/04/2015 8:37:20 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: smokingfrog

“Raise the minimum wage to $50 hr. It’s the only fair thing to do.”

No that will only help the hispanics. To help the blacks you have to double the welfare.


35 posted on 10/04/2015 8:38:46 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: aquila48

“The answer is in the “Bell Curve”. And the “problem” is not just in SF but everywhere in the world - even is South Africa.”

I read that book in 1994 when it came out, and it is very good.


36 posted on 10/04/2015 8:50:11 PM PDT by truth_seeker (come with the outlws.)
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To: aquila48

Silly me ...


37 posted on 10/04/2015 8:57:41 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: laplata
Pelosi’s mansion could house at least 50. When she’s in town a few could move out until she leaves.

You can't just throw them out every time Pelosi returns!

How about a nice tent in the back yard?

Would you believe a beat up Winnebago out front?

38 posted on 10/04/2015 9:03:49 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (BINGO!)
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To: artichokegrower
Stark San Francisco income gap between whites, African Americans,

Some liberals they are.

39 posted on 10/04/2015 9:05:43 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Pelosi’s mansion could house at least 50. When she’s in town a few could move out until she leaves.
You can’t just throw them out every time Pelosi returns!

How about a nice tent in the back yard?

Would you believe a beat up Winnebago out front?


That’s good thinking.

And to save the environment and water, a couple of Porta-Potties in the living room.

Outside they could use the bushes.

I’d love to see that old nasty hag experience that.


40 posted on 10/04/2015 9:49:26 PM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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