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Houston transgender bathroom bill debate centers on differing definitions of ‘men’
The Washington Times ^ | October 5, 2015 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 10/07/2015 1:44:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

HOUSTON — The noisy debate over this city’s Proposition 1 has centered on whether it would allow men to use women’s public restrooms, which boils down to how you define “men” and “women.”

In a battle that has ranged from bathroom etiquette to gender rights to constitutional debates over religious freedom, a key skirmish broke out after former Houston Astros baseball all-star Lance Berkman appeared in an ad saying that the Nov. 3 ballot measure would “allow troubled men who claim to be women to enter women’s bathrooms, showers and locker rooms,” and the Yes on 1 campaign fired back.

“Prop. 1 will NOT allow men to enter women’s restrooms,” says a post on the website Houston Unites, the group supporting Proposition 1.

By “men,” however, the campaign is excluding biological men who identify as women. Proposition 1 would ban discrimination in public accommodations such as restrooms based on 15 characteristics, including gender identity.

In other words, anyone who tries to stop a biological man who identifies as a woman from using a women’s room would be in violation and could face fines of up to $5,000, if the measure succeeds.

“Obviously, when somebody identifies as transgender, it’s a transitioning process that we don’t really know where people are at in that,” said Richard Carlbom, campaign manager for Houston Unites. “Ultimately, people who live and work in society as women should be using the women’s restroom, and people who live and work in society as men should use the men’s restroom.”

Proposition 1 allows voters to decide the fate of the Houston Equal Rights Ordinance, the hotly contested law pushed by Houston Mayor Annise Parker, a Democrat, and passed by the Houston City Council last year....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; texas; transgenders
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The mayor there is a lesbian.
1 posted on 10/07/2015 1:44:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
DNA DON'T LIE

So, cheek swabs ...

2 posted on 10/07/2015 1:46:56 PM PDT by Slyfox (Will no one rid us of this meddlesome president?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yup. She’s the one who subpoenaed the pastor’s sermons to see what he was saying in them. I think her office was inundated with bibles.


3 posted on 10/07/2015 1:48:09 PM PDT by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The noisy debate over this city’s Proposition 1 has centered on whether it would allow men to use women’s public restrooms, which boils down to how you define “men” and “women.”


I have a suggestion.

How about we jettison all this talk of “gender identity” and “ transwhatever” peoples.

Let’s define a man, as someone who is biologically male, and has the male penis.

Let’s define a woman, as someone who is biologically female, who was born with a vulva and vagina.

Is it really so hard to define man and woman???

Understood that some people are sexually confused, attracted to the same sex, and may have sexual behavior problems. But when it comes to the definition of the male and the female, that would seem to be a straight forward issue to deal with.


4 posted on 10/07/2015 1:48:36 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

keep your laws off my package!


5 posted on 10/07/2015 1:49:17 PM PDT by SteveinSATX (C'mon Cruz, Trump or Carson ...baby needs a new pair of shoes!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s simplify this. Women prefer that people having dicks stay out of women’s restrooms.


6 posted on 10/07/2015 1:51:32 PM PDT by rhoda_penmark
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How about one bathroom for people who have male reproductive organs, one bathroom for people with female reproductive organs, and one bathroom for people with neither, regardless of what sex or species of animal or plant that you may identity as.


7 posted on 10/07/2015 1:51:34 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Since wearing a dress can magically change a man into a woman in the eyes of an idiot, time to change the bathroom signs to XX and XY.


8 posted on 10/07/2015 1:51:51 PM PDT by GregoTX (Cruzader)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If there is an outie - male as in men.
If there is no outie, but an innie female as in woman.
If one self identifies any other way they are simply wrong, like those who think they are actually a giant cucumber.
9 posted on 10/07/2015 1:55:34 PM PDT by DaveyB (Live free or die!)
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What is so hard to understand about ‘if you have a dick and balls, you are a guy and if you have a vagina, you are a gal’?


10 posted on 10/07/2015 1:56:36 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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When will authentic men and women (not sure anymore what % of us that is) have enough of this garbage and scream “That’s enough! STFU!”


11 posted on 10/07/2015 1:57:41 PM PDT by polymuser ( Enough is enough)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is an example of what happens when there are no men left. Because a man would tell another man, if I catch you walking in on my daughter or wife...


12 posted on 10/07/2015 2:01:44 PM PDT by odawg
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To: Dilbert San Diego
But when it comes to the definition of the male and the female, that would seem to be a straight forward issue to deal with.

You have obviously forgotten we're now in the "Twilight Zone"

Imagine if you will...a time when we could no longer define......

13 posted on 10/07/2015 2:04:22 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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My husband was out to dinner with some business friends, in Dallas, last night. One of them shot a photo of him standing in front of a bathroom marked “Gender Neutral”. This country is going to hell very quickly.


14 posted on 10/07/2015 2:07:37 PM PDT by surrey
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Simple. Have a guard at the restroom doors with scissors. If a guy wants in the ladies room he gets snipped first.


15 posted on 10/07/2015 2:08:56 PM PDT by oldasrocks (They should lock all of you up and only let out us properly medicated people.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Seems like every month some kooky bill or proposition come up in Houston.
Could it be related to the mayor’s lesbian status? /s


16 posted on 10/07/2015 2:09:25 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: polymuser
When will authentic men and women (not sure anymore what % of us that is) have enough of this garbage and scream “That’s enough! STFU!”

I would think women would protest this emphatically.

To think that a woman is nothing more than a surgically mutilated man on some hormones is highly insulting.

Just like as a man, I am insulted that a woman with an addadictome is somehow considered a "man".

Sorry, but surgical alterations do not make a man or a woman, there is so much more.

17 posted on 10/07/2015 2:09:53 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Vigilanteman

Bingo.

The chromosomal approach is flawed both biologically and sociologically. There are conditions which cause persons with an XY chromosome pair to develop morphologically as females, while what rightly disturbs normal people in circumstances like bathrooms and locker-rooms is encountering people with complimentary genitalia to their own.


18 posted on 10/07/2015 2:10:25 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: rhoda_penmark

Yes, but what if you identify your dick as a lady part?
What if you identify your Y chromosome as an X chromosome?

These snakes will think of an answer for everything!


19 posted on 10/07/2015 2:11:05 PM PDT by MNDude (God is not a Republican, but Satan is certainly a Democrat.)
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To: oldasrocks

If I had a daughter, and she needed to use the ladies room, I would be that armed guard.


20 posted on 10/07/2015 2:12:29 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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