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Donald Trump Gets Saddam Hussein — and the Mideast — Wrong
National Review ^ | 10/09/2015 | David French

Posted on 10/09/2015 6:46:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: middleeast; saddamhussein; trump
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To: Longbow1969
Doesn't much matter, Trump will not be the nominee.

If you can be that certain, you should be just as certain as to who will be the nominee.

Who?

21 posted on 10/09/2015 7:01:36 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: SeekAndFind

“Even when they tell us the sun rises in the east and sets in the west?”

I would have to go outside and verify it with my own eyes.


22 posted on 10/09/2015 7:02:22 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: SeekAndFind

David French is right: Iraq was not a mistake. Obama’s withdrawal was a catastrophic mistake. Trump’s dammocrap blather is a colloidal mistake.


23 posted on 10/09/2015 7:02:37 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Bibi said exactly the same thing about Russia and Isil at the UN the day after Trump did. Let your enemies fight it out and pick up.the pieces later
Works.for.me!


24 posted on 10/09/2015 7:02:57 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump is right they need dictators to rule over their heathen asses


25 posted on 10/09/2015 7:03:19 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Lorianne

RE: The Mid East is never stable. But it was stable-er with the dictators in power. That’s the point.

Ignore Trump for the moment, the author, an Iraq war vet, argues that THIS PARTICULAR DICTATOR — Saddam Hussein is NOT the dictator that makes Iraq Stable-er, and gives his reasons why in the article.


26 posted on 10/09/2015 7:03:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Maceman

Even Jeb Bush admitted that going into Iraq was a mistake.

David French is a notorious Trump hater who has been exposed in the past for using fabricated evidence.


27 posted on 10/09/2015 7:03:54 AM PDT by Helicondelta
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To: MARKUSPRIME

RE: Trump is right they need dictators to rule over their heathen asses

I guess we should be content with the Ayatollahs running Iran then.


28 posted on 10/09/2015 7:04:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Some have a very ideological view of what should be, hence the Iraq debacle, and partly the rebuilding of Afghanistan (I absolutely support going in an wiping out the Taliban, but then get out. Clear objectives and exit strategy). Saddam was evil, and probably should have been taken out in 1991 when the forces and momentum and regional will was there. But we didn’t. To go in a decade and a half later based on thinking we would democratize a region that is so full of tribal alliances and religious hatred (for each other) arguably was a mistake that has contributed to what we now have. Untold lives lost, billions pissed away, a worsening situation and Barrack Obama. In hindsight (and that is always easy) perhaps it wasn’t the best. Being that we can’t change history (though the liberals try) let’s hope we’ve learned from it.


29 posted on 10/09/2015 7:04:08 AM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump is real short on nuance and often too willing to shorthand issues to make a sound bite. The analysis has little meaning, but it keeps the chattering class publishing his name. He has put them on the defensive and it is they who must justify their disdain for his utterances.
Fox and NR appear to be subsidiaries of the GOPe and so more suspect than Trump.


30 posted on 10/09/2015 7:04:12 AM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: Maceman

“I happen to agree with the article.”

If Saddam were still in power, would we have ISIS in Iraq? That is obviously, very obviously, what Trump was referring to.


31 posted on 10/09/2015 7:04:38 AM PDT by odawg
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To: SeekAndFind
But facts are facts, and by 2010 even the Obama administration was bragging about Iraq’s prospects, with Joe Biden declaring that it would be “one of the great achievements of this administration.”

Obama and Biden were saying that so they could withdraw all the troops. They never wanted a SOFA with Iraq. They painted a rosy picture to deceive the public.

32 posted on 10/09/2015 7:05:12 AM PDT by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

Saddam Hussein was awful.
What would have been better?


33 posted on 10/09/2015 7:05:22 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: sitetest

“Obama’s withdrawal was a catastrophic mistake”

You may remember that Bush was the one who signed the withdawl agreement:

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. combat forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement


34 posted on 10/09/2015 7:08:01 AM PDT by Helicondelta
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To: Lorianne

RE: What would have been better?

Staying on in Iraq after the Surge and the Anbar Awakening that stabilized the country.

We’ve stayed in South Korea, Japan and Germany for over 50 years. What makes one ( or Obama ) think that Iraq will be any better?

BTW, the argument we have for Iraq goes for Afghanistan too.

What would have been better than the Taliban?


35 posted on 10/09/2015 7:08:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: sitetest

Colloidal = collosal


36 posted on 10/09/2015 7:09:05 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Vigilanteman

John Bolton is endorsing John McCain and donated to his campaign through his PAC.


37 posted on 10/09/2015 7:09:20 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: SeekAndFind

Jeb Bush on Iraq War: ‘It was a mistake’

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4404627347001/jeb-bush-on-iraq-war-it-was-a-mistake/?#sp=show-clips


38 posted on 10/09/2015 7:11:39 AM PDT by Helicondelta
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To: SeekAndFind

THIS.

People’s memories are short. Iraq was stabilized after 2008. The recent rise of ISIS falls squarely on Obama. Yes, I wish we put in place a more aggressive counterinsurgency strategy back in 2004-2005, but that said, it is completely false to suggest that “durr Iraq will never be stable”, since we DID stabilize it. By 2009, US troops were out of harms way and acting only in a support role.


39 posted on 10/09/2015 7:11:41 AM PDT by ksm1
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To: SeekAndFind

Plus as we know now, Saddam DID indeed have WMD’s.


40 posted on 10/09/2015 7:12:10 AM PDT by ksm1
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