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Metrojet Rules Out Technical Failure or Human Error for Crash in Sinai Peninsula
NYT ^ | NOV. 2, 2015 | NEIL MacFARQUHAR

Posted on 11/02/2015 4:33:56 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: silverleaf

I disagree with the statement at the heart of this article. It is much too early to rule out mechanical failure or human error, just as it is too early to rule out a bomb.


21 posted on 11/02/2015 5:30:23 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: TigerLikesRooster
That organization is very "inclusive"...

That's true...but I was thinking along the lines of the Dutch or Malaysian *governments*.Fair's fair...after all,Vlad shot down the Malaysian airliner (despite his denials).

22 posted on 11/02/2015 5:31:20 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Sure he did!

224 Russian civilians deserved to be killed to teach Putin a lesson,
Because it made great strategic and PR sense for Putin to shoot down a civilian airliner over Ukraine territory and draw the West into the Ukraine war... Just like it made great strategic sense for Bashar Assad to gas 1300 children and trigger obama’s redline to draw the West into the Syrian war.

Hey Putin was airborne several hundred miles away from that Ukraine air space ( on an altered flight path ) so maybe he even directed that Malaysian passenger plane over that territory in his aircraft’s place ..... Oh wait, that Malay aircraft was directed over that area by the Ukrainian ATC


23 posted on 11/02/2015 5:40:59 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“There are no technical failures that could lead to the plane breaking up in the air,” Alexander Smirnov, director of flights at Kogalymavia charter airline told a press conference in Moscow.

He added that “the only explanation — is some kind of external action”, without giving further details.

He said the plane began falling out of control and the pilots had no time to report the emergency situation.

“The crew totally lost control and for that reason there was not one attempt to get in contact and report on the accident situation onboard,” Smirnov said.

The plane was “flying out of control — that is it wasn’t flying, it was falling,” he said.

“Apparently by that moment the plane had received significant damage to its construction that did not allow it to continue the flight.”


24 posted on 11/02/2015 5:42:37 AM PST by McGruff (Trump-Cruz 2016. Make America Great Again.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Well then the answer is clear. The fuel tank exploded.


25 posted on 11/02/2015 5:45:03 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: McGruff
The Russian plane that crashed in Egypt was not struck from the outside and the pilot did not make a distress call before it disappeared from radar

And the Egyptian ATC who reported the distress call will be found with a bullet hole in the back of his head, and a note pinned to his body stating he committed suicide.

26 posted on 11/02/2015 5:50:05 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"We absolutely exclude the technical failure of the plane, and we absolutely exclude pilot error or a human factor"

Shouldn't they wait to see what the black box info contains before DECLARING this ?

27 posted on 11/02/2015 5:53:01 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

They may be right, but how can they say this without an investigation? They really should be more cautious with speculation.


28 posted on 11/02/2015 5:54:35 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: silverleaf

I think what you describe is most likely what happened. There is an indication that the FDR telemetry does not show much about the crash. If true, your scenario would explain it. If the tail (with FDR) was separated, the data from the flight deck would cease.


29 posted on 11/02/2015 5:55:36 AM PST by Tzfat
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To: Yo-Yo

Show where any Airbus cargo doors have shown an inflight failure at any time and your argument may be valid. Just because some 737 cargo doors were mis-handled and the latching mechanisms of the non-plug doors were damaged causing ex-decomp in the ‘80s doesn’t mean baggage doors on an A321 will suffer the same fate.

It was an external force. Bomb or missle.


30 posted on 11/02/2015 6:00:15 AM PST by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: PghBaldy
Which makes me suspect that Russians already started to politicize this problem. Whether this is due to ingrained reflex or deliberate decision remains to be seen.
31 posted on 11/02/2015 6:02:49 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
ISIS and or “the rebels” overran many Syrian military bases over the course of the last four years. This raises the odds that perhaps someone was able to abscond with an older Soviet style AA missile system to be used at a later date by who ever had access to it at the present time.

With so many things in motion over there and in Iraq...it may be hard to track down. Now before anybody says this is not feasible nor possible...please note the ISIS forces in our A-1 ABRHAMS TANKS AND HUMVEES.

Some group or groups has this stuff and had it in hiding or in the heat of battle had no idea how to deploy it...until now!

Things just got a heel-ah-vah lot more complicated in the mid-east.

GET ALL OUR PEOPLE OUT NOW !!!!

WE CAN BOMB THEM FROM THE SEA/SPACE.

32 posted on 11/02/2015 6:02:59 AM PST by JEDI4S (I don't mean to cause trouble...it just happens naturally through the Force!)
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To: silverleaf
Sure he did!

Yup,he did.Glad we're in agreement.

Nice try,Putinista...but no sale!

33 posted on 11/02/2015 6:08:44 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Any bets that the Black Box goes missing?


34 posted on 11/02/2015 6:19:42 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: SkyDancer
Reports say that they were recovered.

Russian plane crash: Two black boxes recovered

35 posted on 11/02/2015 6:24:55 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: VTenigma
The cargo door latch issue was with 747s, not 737s. It was a 737 that lost most of its upper fuselage but still managed to land.

Read this article: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/25/a320-world-safest-planes-germanwings-crash-4u9525

36 posted on 11/02/2015 7:05:31 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I know that. But what I was snarkingly referring to is if the BB’s don’t show what Russia wants them to show then they’ll go missing.


37 posted on 11/02/2015 7:11:18 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: SkyDancer

I got you. Of course, they can make many things(or people) appear and disappear. Truths and evidences are “state properties” in Russia.


38 posted on 11/02/2015 7:19:39 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: Yo-Yo

How about the Air Bus that fell out of the sky a few years ago in a flight form South America to France? Tore apart in the air.


39 posted on 11/02/2015 7:21:33 AM PST by bondsman (Bondsman)
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Without Googling it, I believe that flight had all of its pitot tubes ice up and the pilots stalled the aircraft while going on incorrect instrument information.


40 posted on 11/02/2015 7:27:54 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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