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‘Fake pot’ varieties are being created faster than we can ban them
Yonside.com ^ | 11/05/2015 | Samuel Banister, Iain S McGregor and Roy Gerona

Posted on 11/06/2015 11:51:31 AM PST by GodAndCountryFirst

XLR-11, PB-22, AB-FUBINACA, MAB-CHMINACA, 5F-AMB. These are the cryptic and sometimes unpronounceable names of the most dangerous drugs you’ve never heard of. They are responsible for kidney injury, psychosis, seizures, coma and death.

For instance, AB-FUBINACA was responsible for a spate of recent poisonings at Wesleyan University. And MAB-CHMINACA was associated with more than 100 hospitalizations in Baton Rouge. Neither of these drugs were known to the scientific community until late last year.

These drugs are synthetic cannabinoids – several of the hundreds that have been identified as new “designer drugs” in the past five years. More than 150 were reported in 2013 alone, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC). And police, doctors, scientists and lawmakers are all struggling to identify these new drugs as they hit the streets.

What are synthetic cannabinoids?

Synthetic cannabinoids are molecules designed to mimic the effects of tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC. Like THC, these synthetic cannabinoids target the cannabinoid type 1 receptor (CB1R) in the brain, which is responsible for the psychoactive effects of THC in cannabis.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: cannabinoids; drugs; marijuana; spice
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Another sign of the downfall of our society.
1 posted on 11/06/2015 11:51:31 AM PST by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

A gramme is better than a damn,”................


2 posted on 11/06/2015 11:59:00 AM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Who is making and how these “designer drugs”? It must be pretty easy for the part time chemist. There must be a base element that makes the manufacturing simple.

Right?


3 posted on 11/06/2015 12:01:19 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (You couldn't pay me enough to be famous for being stupid!)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
AB-FUBINACA, MAB-CHMINACA

This could be one of those problems that takes care of itself. Sooner or later the names will be too long for the 'heads' to remember them...

4 posted on 11/06/2015 12:01:36 PM PST by WayneS (Yeah, it's probably sarcasm...)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

No. It’s proof prohibition is stupid. A lot of people were blinded, etc. by bad liquor during prohibition too.


5 posted on 11/06/2015 12:02:53 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

As someone that has been watching this develop, the sad thing is that as they ban THC derivatives close to THC, the derivatives get farther and farther in to more dangerous chemical territory.


6 posted on 11/06/2015 12:05:35 PM PST by struggle
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    Don't blow it, just grow it.
7 posted on 11/06/2015 12:06:05 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Tenacious 1

This probably answers your questions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_cannabis


8 posted on 11/06/2015 12:08:13 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Another sign of the downfall of our society.

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Exactly. Nature’s own is far superior and more readily available.


9 posted on 11/06/2015 12:12:21 PM PST by dmz
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Safety No official studies have been conducted on the effects of synthetic cannabinoids on humans (as is often the case with illegal and potentially toxic compounds).[34] However, reports describing effects seen in patients seeking medical care after taking synthetic cannabinoids have been published. Compared to cannabis and its active cannabinoid THC, the adverse effects are often much more severe and can include hypertension, tachycardia, myocardial infarction,[35] agitation, vomiting, hallucinations, psychoses, seizures, convulsions[36] and panic attacks.[37][38][39][40][41] Among individuals who need emergency treatment after using synthetic cannabis, the most common symptoms are accelerated heartbeat, high blood pressure, nausea, blurred vision, hallucination and agitation.[42] Other symptoms included epileptic seizures, acute psychosis, and heart attacks.[42]

Thank you. That was helpful. But how do you get these compounds (simple one of 4 versions) to put on herbs? I couldn't help but laugh when I saw the safety data. It reads like EVERY SINGLE PHARMA product advertised anywhere.

10 posted on 11/06/2015 12:13:31 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (You couldn't pay me enough to be famous for being stupid!)
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“But how do you get these compounds”

Precursor chemicals for drugs like meth are manufactured in
China and sent to Mexico. They are generally legal at that point. They are imported by the tons, literal tons, not the metaphorical ton of music or ton of emails. North Korea also has huge plants manufacturing drugs and the drug trade is a major element of their GDP. I’m sure they are made in smaller plants in other countries as there’s too much money involved for organized crime not to be involved.

Also, many college labs probably have students working late at night on more than their dissertations.


11 posted on 11/06/2015 12:30:12 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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"These synthetic drugs are manufactured in clandestine labs (mostly in China) for export around the globe."

They'll probably be easily passed off as concentrated pot products in resort areas, where pot has been legalized. Legalized pot provides easy cover for such drugs, because police shy away from busting drivers in general.


12 posted on 11/06/2015 12:30:47 PM PST by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --"Deacon," "Waterworld")
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To: Tenacious 1

Oh, one more item. According to a presentation I saw on the dark net, if somebody introduces you or gives you access you can buy drugs directly off the internet.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dark+net+explained


13 posted on 11/06/2015 12:32:10 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

This whole article reads more like a DEA press release than anything else.


14 posted on 11/06/2015 12:36:40 PM PST by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Another sign of the futility of the war on drugs. People want to get high, it’s one of the basic building blocks of civilization, every civilization has figured out something to drink eat or smoke, you can’t stop it, you can’t even slow it down. It is an unstoppable force.


15 posted on 11/06/2015 12:39:19 PM PST by discostu (Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right B, A, Start)
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To: familyop

Legalized pot takes away the reason for these drugs. Same reason bootlegging mostly evaporated when Prohibition was repealed. Back markets can’t compete with white markets on quality, price or convenience. Unless the government screws up the white market with over taxation and regulation.


16 posted on 11/06/2015 12:42:16 PM PST by discostu (Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right B, A, Start)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Just legalize the real thing and stop taxing me for all the activities necessary to protect fools from their folly.


17 posted on 11/06/2015 1:03:48 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: discostu

>>>Legalized pot takes away the reason for these drugs. Same reason bootlegging mostly evaporated when Prohibition was repealed. Back markets can’t compete with white markets on quality, price or convenience. Unless the government screws up the white market with over taxation and regulation.<<<

Yes and no. Marijuana was legalized up here in Alaska last year, and everyone I know who smokes weed is now growing it, but there’s also a spice epidemic in Anchorage among the homeless that is hospitalizing many and killing some. Go figure. I would have also thought that legal weed would have eviscerated the spice market here, but instead, it is getting worse - at least in some communities. The Milton Friedman part of me is astonished at this.

Perhaps it is an expression of stability. Those who have a stable home can easily grow it. The law allows growing for personal use up to an certain (and unbelievably large) amount, and you can share seeds, clippings, and weed as long as you do it without charging for it, so maybe our concerns up here is an unintended consequence.

With people, it’s never simple.


18 posted on 11/06/2015 1:07:35 PM PST by redpoll
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And Alaska has a bit of a supply chain problem. It’s easy for demand of anything to out strip supply there.


19 posted on 11/06/2015 1:32:39 PM PST by discostu (Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right B, A, Start)
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“Unless the government screws up the white market with over taxation and regulation.”

This is the reason most long time smokers in Colorado still buy from their black market dealers.


20 posted on 11/06/2015 1:43:18 PM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscious is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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