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NY Times: How Gun Traffickers Get Around State Gun Laws
NY Times ^ | November 13, 2015 | Gregor Aisch and Josh Keller

Posted on 11/13/2015 3:16:38 AM PST by Zakeet

In California, some gun smugglers use FedEx. In Chicago, smugglers drive just across the state line into Indiana, buy a gun and drive back. In Orlando, Fla., smugglers have been known to fill a $500 car with guns and send it on a ship to crime rings in Puerto Rico.

In response to mass shootings in the last few years, more than 20 states, including some of the nation's biggest, have passed new laws restricting how people can buy and carry guns. Yet the effect of those laws has been significantly diluted by a thriving underground market for firearms brought from states with few restrictions.

About 50,000 guns are found to be diverted to criminals across state lines every year, federal data shows, and many more are likely to cross state lines undetected.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; crime; gungrabbing; guns
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If we would enact Federal gun laws as tough as those in Chicago, then we would have the same rate of gun violence as they have in the Windy City ... nationwide.

1 posted on 11/13/2015 3:16:38 AM PST by Zakeet
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...”the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” in the USA.


2 posted on 11/13/2015 3:35:05 AM PST by faithhopecharity (Brilliant, funny, and incisive Tagline coming to this space soon.....)
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Interesting premise with which I disagree. There are no such things as gun free zones in the first place, only declared gun free zones. A declaration doesn’t make it so. The proof of course is the continued murder of innocents that generally takes place in so called gun free zones.

...and to the premise that the nation would end up with the same level of gun violence as Chicago, I contend there are enough armed citizens in the rest of the country, to make that very difficult to achieve. The nation itself is not Chicago especially the Midwest, and west and IMHO never will be. Chicago for many, is ground zero for one thing, corruption, and no one wants to be like Chicago.


3 posted on 11/13/2015 3:49:50 AM PST by wita
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To: faithhopecharity
Actually gun trafficking crimes being committed in states with less restrictive gun laws, by people from states with lax criminal justice systems. Those guns don't ship themselves.

We have been hearing about straw purchasers for more than a decade, but how many are prosecuted? The answer is almost none.

4 posted on 11/13/2015 3:52:13 AM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Zakeet

And this will happen across US borders if gun control is implimented here.


5 posted on 11/13/2015 3:52:40 AM PST by ZULU (Mt. McKinley is the tallest mountain in N. America. Denali is Aleut for "scam artist.")
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I remember this same song and dance in 1968, as the reason for the gun control act of 1968. It did not work then and it would not work now.

The author conveniently fails to note that many of the states where the guns come from have lower crime/murder rates than the places where the guns are being taken.

The failed idea is to control all law abiding peoples access to guns, completely contrary to the Second Amendment, in a silly attempt to stop the tiny minority of dangerous criminals from getting guns.


6 posted on 11/13/2015 3:54:37 AM PST by marktwain
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To: ZULU
Homemade and small shop submachine guns produced by gangs in Brazil:

In Venenzuela, Police are murdered for their guns.

Venenzuelan Police Murdered for their Guns

7 posted on 11/13/2015 4:00:45 AM PST by marktwain
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Really bro - another economic development for Mexico’s cartels. these people are so so so stupid.


8 posted on 11/13/2015 4:03:22 AM PST by major-pelham
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To: USNBandit

And none should be prosecuted! This is America and some Americans still think our constitutionally- recognized inalienable (from God) rights are worth defending


9 posted on 11/13/2015 4:03:47 AM PST by faithhopecharity (Brilliant, funny, and incisive Tagline coming to this space soon.....)
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Who went to jail after the government’s famous Fast and Furious fiasco?


10 posted on 11/13/2015 4:13:14 AM PST by Renegade
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To: USNBandit
IIRC, it is a federal crime to for a person to buy a gun in one state and transport it to another. Legal interstate sales MUST take place by shipment between two licensed gun dealers, one in each state.

If such crimes are not prosecuted, look to the federal prosecutors for failing to do their jobs.

11 posted on 11/13/2015 4:40:58 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Zakeet

12 posted on 11/13/2015 4:41:44 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Long article. Chock full of statistics, but the New York Times forgot to mention the worst offender.
Gun smugglers from the BATFE!


13 posted on 11/13/2015 4:49:33 AM PST by Tupelo (Honest men go to Washington, but honest men do not stay in Washington.)
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My impressions also. The take I got from the article is that the ATF is not doing its job. The article’s examples were one after the other crimes that I thought the ATF was supposed to enforce. The article never once mentions this aspect.


14 posted on 11/13/2015 4:54:41 AM PST by gusty
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Non-enforcement is part of the plan. Allowing the situation to appear so out of control that only a total ban will suffice.


15 posted on 11/13/2015 4:56:34 AM PST by Oratam
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How Gun Traffickers Get Around State Gun Laws

"Gun trafficking" another non-crime that is criminalized by tyrants and enforced by their JBTs. Let anyone buy any gun they want. That was pretty much the case prior to 1968 (except full auto had a $200 tax), and I believe the crime rate in the 50s and 60s was lower than it is today.

16 posted on 11/13/2015 4:57:50 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: faithhopecharity

Sorry, but deliver of guns to felons should be prosecuted.


17 posted on 11/13/2015 4:59:37 AM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Tupelo

A rather long article designed to blame others for crimes committed by their state citizens that ignores the basic laws of supply and demand. Make any item illegal and people will find a way to get it. I think the author wanted to plant the idea that we need stronger national gun laws to protect us. Well, that should work just about as much as prohibition and our war on drugs did in the past.


18 posted on 11/13/2015 5:09:04 AM PST by Boomer One ( ToUses)
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—as the first responder to this piece notes, it’s as fine an example of “guns don;t kill people, people kill people” as you can find-—the supposedly “illegal” guns go from relatively peaceful states to those where a certain portion of the population uses them to kill each other——


19 posted on 11/13/2015 5:38:18 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Wonder Warthog

While on active duty stationed in one state I purchased a rifle and took it with me to a follow-on assignment in another state. You’re claiming that’s a federal crime?


20 posted on 11/13/2015 5:39:52 AM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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