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We stand on the backs of HEROES like this Gentleman! Just WOW!
1 posted on 11/13/2015 1:20:45 PM PST by US Navy Vet
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BTTT


2 posted on 11/13/2015 1:22:31 PM PST by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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If only we had “safe zones” back then. /s

God bless you, Mr. Kleiss.


3 posted on 11/13/2015 1:23:40 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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Important to remember- thanks for posting.


5 posted on 11/13/2015 1:28:27 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi.)
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Tweeted the link.


7 posted on 11/13/2015 1:33:56 PM PST by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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for later


9 posted on 11/13/2015 1:40:57 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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What a great story. I particularly like the end: “Regardless of anything that happened to me, God would give me enough strength if I worked hard enough, long enough, that I would be able to accomplish something to preserve the United States of America.”

Thanks for posting.


19 posted on 11/13/2015 2:31:52 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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A fragile little thing that did so much for NAVY pilots. An unassuming airplane for the ages.

20 posted on 11/13/2015 2:34:24 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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The last surviving member of a group that, while they were doing the thing which made them famous, had a life expectancy measured in mere moments. Thats gotta’ feel like something!


22 posted on 11/13/2015 2:50:35 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job...)
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To: US Navy Vet; Larry Lucido; cyn; NEWwoman; WKUHilltopper

I grew up surrounded by extraordinary men such as these because my dad made me part of his golf foursome at age 10. Therefore, I related as well to my dad’s generation as my own. My Economics professor in college served in the first Navy UDT team operations. At the golf course where I played I would meet one of the Flying Tigers. I often ended up as a dishwasher at the country club where I worked during college. When I noticed the chef always limped as he moved around the kitchen he saw my puzzled look, and he told me he got the limp from a wound received when he was with the Rangers at Pointe De Hoc. There are many more stories I could relate or have forgotten. It is hard to realize such men are almost all gone.

As a result I have read a lot of WW II history and am trying to have a letter and essay covering some event each month of the year to send to papers and other interested folks. I tried to find an angle for such a vast story as Midway when I realized how few went out that June day and how few made it through.

My Midway letters are still a work in progress, but at least I made it for the 70th anniversary and one talk show host will regularly mention Midway as he does D-Day . When I look up Midway on the computer, I am surprised to find so little prominent recognition for a naval battle, which in my estimation rivals Trafalgar in significance. Anyway here is the essay and it breaks up into several letters as well. I think the bibliography in worthwhile for anyone who wants to study the subject further.

In late December 1941, Navy Secretary Frank Knox and FDR met and selected Chester Nimitz to command the Pacific Fleet, which at that time the public perceived as residing at the bottom of Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt said, “Tell Nimitz to get the hell out to Pearl and stay there until the war is won”. Knox informed Nimitz by saying, “You’re going to take command of the Pacific Fleet, and I think you will be gone a long time”.

On Christmas Day 1941 Admiral Chester Nimitz arrived alone by Catalina flying boat to take command. When the door opened he was assailed by a poisonous atmosphere from black oil, charred wood, burned paint, and rotting flesh. The boat ride to shore engulfed the party in the panorama of sunken hulls and floating wreckage, punctuated by the bodies of dead sailors still surfacing from the blasted ships.

He spent the first days learning everything he could about his new assignment and confirmed the public’s perception was wrong. The dry-dock, repair shops, and tank farm were intact. The carriers, their escorts, and the submarines stood ready to take the offensive. He immediately sent submarines into Japanese waters, and conducted carrier operations thwarting Japanese Initiatives. Admiral Raymond Spruance said of Nimitz, “The one big thing about him was that he was always ready to fight….And he wanted officers who would push the fight to the Japanese”.

Nimitz decided some very good men had taken a terrible beating and were now suffering terrible reminders and apprehensions. When he officially took command December 31, he told the assembled staffs he had complete and unlimited confidence in every one of them. As head of officer personnel in Washington, he knew they had been selected for their competence. But if any wanted to leave, he would individually discuss their futures and do all he could to get them the assignments they wanted.

However, there were a few key staff members he wanted to stay with him. They included Commander Joe Rochefort, Jr. and Lieutenant Commander Edwin T. Layton. These men did not provide warning of the Pearl Harbor attack, but later provided the key intelligence allowing Nimitz to take the calculated risks for the Midway battle.

Midway began with this gracious, determined leader bringing the fight to the enemy at long odds. It finished with the fearful sacrifice of a few brave men on June 4, 1942. To understand Nimitz’s and the flyers tenuous position consider that gathering every available U.S. Navy ship achieved an order of battle for Midway, where they were outnumbered more than three to one.

This abbreviated narrative now excludes the contribution of thousands, whose combined efforts provided the vital margin needed for victory. Preparing Midway for invasion and assembling the task forces at point “Luck” to attack the Japanese required prodigious achievements in logistics, ship repair, and naval intelligence. This narrative also does not describe how making more and/or paying the more bitter price for mistakes contributed heavily to the Japanese defeat.

The Japanese transport group was discovered on June 3, but the next morning the curtain rose for the carrier battle. At 5:30AM the PBY patrol by Lieutenant Howard Ady radioed discovery of the Japanese carriers. Fifteen minutes later the PBY patrol by Lieutenant William Chase radioed in the clear, “Many planes headed Midway. Bearing 320, distance 150”. These warnings enabled the 120 aircraft crammed onto Midway to get into the air and Admirals Raymond Spruance and Frank Fletcher to launch carrier attacks. All Midway aircraft made attacks against the carriers except for 21 Marine Brewster Buffalos and 5 Wildcat fighters dedicated to repel the attackers.

In the ensuing Japanese attack on Midway beginning at 6:16AM, 14 of the 21 pilots died prompting Captain Philip R. White to say, “It is my belief that any commander that orders pilots out for combat in F2A-3’s (Brewster Buffalo) should consider them lost before leaving the ground”. Captain Francis McCarthy, flying one of the Wildcats, was also killed after shooting down one of eight Zeros attacking him and Lt. Roy Corry Jr.

The attacks by land based planes on the Japanese carriers began at 7:48AM. First six TBF Avenger torpedo bombers lead by Navy Lieutenant Langdon K. Fieberling of Torpedo 8 made their attack. These were some of the new torpedo bombers that should have replaced the hopelessly outdated Devastators Lt. Cdr. John Waldron had onboard Hornet, but they were 24 hours reaching Hawaii. The planes obtained no hits, but five of six aircraft were destroyed including Fieberling’s and only two of 18 men survived to return to Midway. Ens. Bert Earnest and Radioman Harry Ferrier became with Ens. George Gay the other two “lone survivors” of Torpedo 8.

Next the Army Air Force made its appearance. Captain James Collins lead four Army Air Corps B-26 medium bombers rigged to carry torpedoes in the first ever attempt to attack enemy ships. They had to launch at less than 1,000 yards to hit 30 knot aircraft carriers with 33 knot torpedoes. Also most torpedoes failed when released at over 50 feet and at speeds exceeding 126 mph; a speed at which this aircraft often stalled and crashed when landing. Two of four planes with their 7 man crews perished, and no hits were obtained.

Marine dive bombers closely followed the B-26’s. At 7:55 Major Lofton Henderson (for whom Henderson Field at Guadalcanal was named) attacked with 16 Dauntless dive bombers of which 8 were lost with their two man crews. Henderson’s crews were untrained in dive bombing tactics and again no hits were obtained.

Lieutenant Colonel Walter C. Sweeney lead 15 long range B-17’s over Nagumo’s position in a level bombing attack from 20,000 feet and obtained no hits on the carriers or escorts. One aircraft was damaged by Zero’s and one man was injured, but overall the Japanese were reluctant to attack the heavily armed bombers.

At 8:30 Major Benjamin Norris lead eleven Vindicator dive bombers to the Japanese. The aircraft were considered so ancient pilots called them “wind indicators”, and displayed such fragility their fabric fuselage was wrapped with 4” hospital masking tape. They never reached the carriers and unsuccessfully attacked a battleship. Amazingly only two fell to enemy attacks and two more were lost at sea with their two man crews because of low fuel.

Next into the battle at 9:18AM-10:15AM came Torpedo 3, Torpedo 6, and Torpedo 8 from the USS Yorktown, USS Enterprise, and USS Hornet respectively. In all Lt. Commander Lance E. Massey, Lt. Commander Gene Lindsey, and Lt. Commander John Waldron lead 41 Devastator torpedo bombers. The squadrons had become separated from their dive bombers and fighters that were intended to accompany them for coordinated attacks. Waldron left deliberately replying to Lt. Commander Stanhope C. Ring’s order to follow him, “I know where the damn Jap fleet is. The hell with you”. Now alone these 100 mph torpedo bombers had to evade 300 mph Zero fighters, and withstand concentrated task force anti-aircraft fire before launching at less than 1,000 yards their 33 knot torpedoes against 30 knot aircraft carriers.

In pressing home their attacks, 35 aircraft with their two man crews were lost. Ens. George H. Gay, Jr., who crashed in the midst of the Japanese carriers, was the lone survivor of the Torpedo 8 attack and was rescued by a PBY the next day. The only fighters about were six from Fighting 3 lead by Lt. Commander “Jimmy” Thach that tangled with a horde of Zero fighters and lost one aircraft. Those from Fighting 6 lead by Lieutenant Jim Gray lost track of the torpedo bombers and kept circling at 20,000 feet to protect the dive bombers they never found. Eventually these fighters returned to the Enterprise in total frustration.

The USS Hornet fighters and dive bombers spent a fruitless morning. Lt. Commander Ring lead Bombing 8, Scouting 8, and Fighting 8 exactly as ordered by Captain Marc Mitscher and then searched to the south until fuel was critical and each squadron proceeded independently. Lt. Commander Robert R. Johnson leading Bombing 8 was unable to find the Hornet and landed on Midway, but 3 of the 14 aircraft had to ditch on the way for lack of fuel. Lieutenant Stan Ruehlow leading Fighting 8 remained determined to find the Hornet, but all ten aircraft had to ditch, and Ens. Mark Kelly and Ens. George R. Hill were never found. That morning there were 29 empty seats in the Hornet ready room. Fifteen seats belonged to Torpedo 8 pilots slaughtered that morning by the Japanese. The 11 were for Bombing 8 that refueled at Midway and later returned to the Hornet.

The Japanese carrier task force had withstood six separate attacks over nearly three hours without a single hit. Not counting the B-17’s that stayed at 20,000 feet, Navy and Army flyers pressed home attacks with 78 aircraft. Of those 56 were destroyed, 128 of 182 men were lost, and no hits were obtained.

Now at 10:20AM Bombing 3 and Bombing 6 from the USS Yorktown and USS Enterprise respectively found the carriers. They arrived over the carriers while the Zero fighters were still at low altitude finishing off the last American torpedo bombers. The 17 planes of Commander Max Leslie’s Bombing 3 delivered three fatal hits to one carrier, probably the Soryu. For Bombing 6, Lieutenants Wade McClusky and Richard Best lead sections that obtained three hits on the Akagi and at least four hits on the Kaga. The Japanese task forces that had been impervious to harm from 7:48AM to 10:23AM saw three of their heavy carriers turned into burning wreckage in six minutes. However, a price had to be paid. Max Leslie’s planes returned safely, but Bombing 6 lost 8 of 18 two man crews.

The Japanese turn came at 11:52AM as Yorktown radar plot reported, “Bogeys 32 miles and closing”. In spite of fearful losses, the Japanese scored hits with three bombs and at 2:32PM their torpedo plane attack scored two hits and forced the Yorktown to abandon ship. The defending CAP lost one Wildcat compared to 22 of 30 Japanese aircraft lost to fighters and AA.

There was still one heavy carrier unaccounted for, and at 3:00PM Lieutenant Sam Adams of Scouting 5 radioed Admiral Spruance its location. The Admiral had no fighters or torpedo bombers, but ordered Lieutenant Earl Gallaher aloft at 3:30PM to lead 24 planes from three dive bombers squadrons. A half hour later the Hornet launched 16 dive bombers lead by reserve Lieutenant Edgar Stebbins. These 40 aircraft encountered anti-aircraft fire, lighting attacks from Zeros, and superb evasive ship handling. However, there were just too many planes and bombs. At least four hits and many near misses transformed the Hiryu into the fourth blazing funeral pyre of the day. All three dive bombing squadrons got hits and two aircraft were lost.

There were attacks before and after June 4 in the battle of Midway costing the Japanese Combined Fleet other ships. However, the loss of these four heavy carriers and their superbly trained, irreplaceable aircrews achieved by the fortitude, and valor of these few men proved fatal to Japanese initiative in the Pacific.

One could easily paraphrase Winston Churchill to say never have so many who fought in the Pacific owed so much to so few. Not counting the B-17’s that stayed aloft, about 550 flyers closely engaged the Japanese and suffered nearly 300 deaths. Walter Lord and Gordon W. Prange considered this an incredible, miraculous victory. For Mitsuo Fuchida and Masatake Okumiya, it was the battle that doomed Japan.

Midway: The Battle That Doomed Japan by Mitsuo Fuchida and Masatake Okumiya

Coral Sea, Midway and Submarine Actions by Samuel Eliot Morison

Miracle at Midway by Gordon W. Prange

Incredible Victory by Walter Lord

Nimitz by E.B. Potter

A Dawn Like Thunder by Robert J. Mrazek

The Last Flight of Ensign C. Markland Kelly, Junior USNR by Bowen P. Weisheit

The Battle History of the Imperial Japanese Navy by Paul S. Dull

Shattered Sword by Jonathan Parshall and Anthony Tully

USNI Blog: http://blog.usni.org/?s=Midway
Action Report: USS Hornet (CV-8) Midway
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ships/logs/CV/cv8-Midway.html

Battle of Midway, Commanding Officer, USS Yorktown, report of 18 June 1942
http://www.patriotfiles.com/index.php?name=Sections&req=viewarticle&artid=1096&page=1
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ships/logs/CV/cv5-Midway.html

Battle of Midway: 4-7 June 1942, Online Action Reports: Commanding Officer, USS Enterprise, Serial 0133 of 8 June 1942
http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid6.htm
MK XIII AERIAL TORPEDO
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=1035
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_WWII.htm

Martin B-26 Marauder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-26_Marauder

Vindicator SB2U Dive Bomber
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=731

Douglas TBD Devastator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TBD_Devastator
I find no evidence the planes flew with bombardiers on June 4 or had Norden bombsights.

Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-17_Flying_Fortress
B-17 Crew Requirements and Standard Operating Procedures
http://www.303rdbg.com/crewmen-missions.html

Midway Film by John ford
http://video.staged.com/localshops/ww_iirare_film__midway__directed_by_john_ford

Valor: Marauders at Midway
http://www.airforce-magazine.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/1986/April%201986/0486valor.aspx

The Nimitz Graybook
http://usnwc.edu/Academics/Library/Naval-Historical-Collection.aspx#items/show/849

Japanese aircraft carrier Hiryū
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Hiry%C5%AB
Japanese aircraft carrier Kaga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Kaga
Japanese aircraft carrier Sōryū
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_S%C5%8Dry%C5%AB
Japanese aircraft carrier Akagi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Akagi
(Therefore average top speed 30.6 knots)


24 posted on 11/13/2015 2:58:55 PM PST by Retain Mike
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Always remember Lieutenant Commander John C. Waldron, Torpedo Squadron 8 (VT-8), USS Hornet, CV-8.
35 posted on 11/13/2015 5:35:26 PM PST by kiryandil (Maya: "Liberalism Is What Smart Looks Like to Stupid People")
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To: US Navy Vet; flaglady47; Chigirl 26; oswegodeee; BillyBoy; prairiebreeze; Bushbacker1; ...
A good friend of mine, and a heroic gentleman, Herbert "Bud" Kirchhoff, recently passed away in retirement in Couer d' Alene, Idaho. We were fellow conservative elected county commissioners in Du Page county, Illinois a number of years ago.

He was one of the few remaining survivors of the historic and horrific Bataan Death March. He was 96.

There are less than a hundred known survivors still alive out of the 60-80,000 American and Filipino military who started out in the March enforced by their Japanese captors. Thousands of these American prisoners died on the 'route to death' from no food, no medical supplies, being shot or being beheaded.

RIP, thou good and faithful servant...and noble American warrior.

Leni

38 posted on 11/13/2015 8:07:28 PM PST by MinuteGal
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