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Dem Rep Ellison: ISIS Neither Islamic Nor A State
Breitbart.com ^ | November 18, 2015 | Pam Key

Posted on 11/18/2015 1:37:16 PM PST by Biggirl

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To: Biggirl

Deport this idiot. He’s a trojan horse.


41 posted on 11/18/2015 2:31:45 PM PST by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.com)
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To: MAKOTHEDOG

The “Islamic State” is hung around the necks of Muslims EVERYWHERE, until there is a concerted effort BY MUSLIMS to rout it out of existence.

It is like saying that the National Socialist Workingman’s Party of Germany had no participation by Germans. That organization was from the beginning a form of despotism that grew up and was nurtured by German ideologues.

The Islamic State is a recently instituted creation of Islamic ideologues, based on the inspiration drawn from the very words of the Koran itself, and cannot be separated from those words until the rest of Islam takes up resistance to the Islamic State and all its forms of despotism.

This may involve a vast reformation within all of Islam, either to resurrect it as a viable religion with a recognition of other points of view and claims to divine inspiration as valid, or it shall become a cancer that ends up consuming itself.

So far, the cancer is winning.


42 posted on 11/18/2015 2:34:30 PM PST by alloysteel (Do not argue with trolls. That means they win.)
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To: Biggirl

ISIS has a single goal which is to reimpose traditional Islam on the world and to subjugate or kill infidels as traditional Islam proscribes. Their movement is to bring the true and pure form of Islam and Sharia to everyone.

They are not nor was Islam ever a geographical state in any way, shape, or form. Their goal is to remove political and geographical boundaries and bring the world to Islam, a belief system without boundaries or political factions.

The congressman is a simple idiot for not realizing that ISIS would kill him for not submitting to and following their strict beliefs and edicts, Muslim or not.


43 posted on 11/18/2015 2:46:21 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950

Translation: A religion from SATAN and with a FALSE PROPHET to boot!


44 posted on 11/18/2015 2:50:45 PM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: elpadre

Sunni, according to his Wikipedia entry.


45 posted on 11/18/2015 2:53:07 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Biggirl
Translation: A religion from SATAN and with a FALSE PROPHET to boot!


46 posted on 11/18/2015 2:59:30 PM PST by amorphous
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To: Biggirl
Look up the terms taqiyya and kitman.

Do not believe any Muslim or people who act like Muslims but say they are not. Muslims are encouraged to lie to non-Muslims in order to deceive and defeat them.

47 posted on 11/18/2015 3:03:13 PM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: martinidon

If the LIBs get their way and we get sharia law...will all women have their clitoris removed? Enquiring minds want to know.


48 posted on 11/18/2015 3:16:27 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: JesusIsLord
Muslims are encouraged to lie to non-Muslims in order to deceive and defeat them.

Like Obama?

I'd bet Lincoln rolled over in his grave when Obama's ring with Allah's inscription touched his Bible.


49 posted on 11/18/2015 3:18:37 PM PST by amorphous
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To: Biggirl
Rep Ellison ia practicing taqiyya.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm

Additional Notes:

Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. The two forms are:

Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.

Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills “it shall be as if he had killed all mankind”) while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of “corruption” and “mischief.”

Though not called Taqiyya by name, Muhammad clearly used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans that allowed him access to their city while he secretly prepared his own forces for a takeover. The unsuspecting residents were conquered in easy fashion after he broke the treaty two years later, and some of the people in the city who had trusted him at his word were executed.

Another example of lying is when Muhammad used deception to trick his personal enemies into letting down their guard and exposing themselves to slaughter by pretending to seek peace. This happened in the case of Ka’b bin al-Ashraf (as previously noted) and again later against Usayr ibn Zarim, a surviving leader of the Banu Nadir tribe, which had been evicted from their home in Medina by the Muslims.

At the time, Usayr ibn Zarim was attempting to gather an armed force against the Muslims from among a tribe allied with the Quraish (against which Muhammad had already declared war). Muhammad's “emissaries” went to ibn Zarim and persuaded him to leave his safe haven on the pretext of meeting with the prophet of Islam in Medina to discuss peace. Once vulnerable, the leader and his thirty companions were massacred by the Muslims with ease, belying the probability that they were mostly unarmed, having been given a guarantee of safe passage (Ibn Ishaq 981).

Such was the reputation of Muslims for lying and then killing that even those who “accepted Islam” did not feel entirely safe. The fate of the Jadhima is tragic evidence for this. When Muslim “missionaries” approached their tribe one of the members insisted that they would be slaughtered even though they had already “converted” to Islam to avoid just such a demise. However, the others were convinced that they could trust the Muslim leader's promise that they would not be harmed if they simply offered no resistance. (After convincing the skeptic to lay down his arms, the unarmed men of the tribe were quickly tied up and beheaded - Ibn Ishaq 834 & 837).

Today's Muslims often try to justify Muhammad's murder of poets and others who criticized him at Medina by saying that they broke a treaty by their actions. Yet, these same apologists place little value on treaties broken by Muslims. From Muhammad to Saddam Hussein, promises made to non-Muslim are distinctly non-binding in the Muslim mindset.

Leaders in the Arab world routinely say one thing to English-speaking audiences and then something entirely different to their own people in Arabic. Yassir Arafat was famous for telling Western newspapers about his desire for peace with Israel, then turning right around and whipping Palestinians into a hateful and violent frenzy against Jews.

The 9/11 hijackers practiced deception by going into bars and drinking alcohol, thus throwing off potential suspicion that they were fundamentalists plotting jihad. This effort worked so well, in fact, that even weeks after 9/11, John Walsh, the host of a popular American television show, said that their bar trips were evidence of ‘hypocrisy.’

The transmission from Flight 93 records the hijackers telling their doomed passengers that there is “a bomb on board” but that everyone will “be safe” as long as “their demands are met.” Obviously none of these things were true, but these men, who were so intensely devoted to Islam that they were willing to “slay and be slain for the cause of Allah” (as the Qur’an puts it) saw nothing wrong with employing Taqiyya in order to facilitate their mission of mass murder.

The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) insists that it “has not now or ever been involved with the Muslim Brotherhood, or supported any covert, illegal, or terrorist activity or organization.” In fact, it was created by the Muslim Brotherhood and has bankrolled Hamas. At least nine founders or board members of ISNA have been accused by prosecutors of supporting terrorism.

Prior to engineering several deadly terror plots, such as the Fort Hood massacre and the attempt to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner, American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki was regularly sought out by NPR, PBS and even government leaders to expound on the peaceful nature of Islam.

The Quran says in several places that Allah is the best at deceiving people. An interesting side note is verse 7:99, which says that the only people who feel secure from Allah are actually those who will perish in Hell. Taken literally, this would mean that those Muslims who arrogantly assume that they will enter heaven are in for a rude surprise (such are the hazards of worshipping an all-powerful deceiver).

The near absence of Qur’anic verse and reliable Hadith that encourage truthfulness is somewhat surprising, given that many Muslims are convinced that their religion teaches honesty. In fact, it is because of this ingrained belief that many Muslims are quite honest. When lying is addressed in the Qur’an, it is nearly always in reference to the “lies against Allah” - referring to the Jews and Christians who rejected Muhammad's claim to being a prophet.

Finally, the circumstances by which Muhammad allowed a believer to lie to a non-spouse are limited to those that either advance the cause of Islam or enable a Muslim to avoid harm to his well-being (and presumably that of other Muslims as well). Although this should be kept very much in mind when dealing with matters of global security, such as Iran's nuclear intentions, it is not grounds for assuming that the Muslim one might personally encounter on the street or in the workplace is any less honest than anyone else.

50 posted on 11/18/2015 3:26:30 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Biggirl
Rep Ellison, Islam demands the killing of infidels.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Bottomline at the end of the chapter:

Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury for not understanding the “culture”, claiming that the father was merely following “the religion” and saying that the couple had to “discipline their daughter or lose respect.” (source). In 2011, unrepentant Palestinian terrorists, responsible for the brutal murders of civilians, women and children explicitly in the name of Allah were treated to a luxurious “holy pilgrimage” to Mecca by the Saudi king - without a single Muslim voice raised in protest.

For their part, Western liberals would do well not to sacrifice critical thinking to the god of political correctness, or look for reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.

There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done in the name of Islam.

51 posted on 11/18/2015 3:30:52 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal
Closer view of Rep Ellison with hand on Koran during swearing in ceremony:


52 posted on 11/18/2015 3:47:46 PM PST by amorphous
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To: Biggirl

Well they sure think they are. They seem to be following the texts very closely.


53 posted on 11/18/2015 4:04:45 PM PST by vpintheak (Death before disarmament!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

thanks - just curious


54 posted on 11/18/2015 5:04:47 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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