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Russian Defense Ministry Video Proves Su-24 Never Entered Turkish Airspace
Sputnik ^ | November 24, 2015 | Sputnik

Posted on 11/24/2015 2:34:26 PM PST by marvel5

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To: marvel5

I thought it was crazy to bring Turkey into NATO at the time.


61 posted on 11/24/2015 4:06:51 PM PST by FR_addict (Ryan needs to go!)
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To: achilles2000

What’s to learn? Your card carrying commie KGB buddy annexed it by force from a neighboring country while taking a little time off from murdering the opposition and journalists who offend his sensibilities.


62 posted on 11/24/2015 4:07:58 PM PST by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: Travis McGee

The CIA will soon release a video proving it was an errant spark in the center wing fuel tank.


63 posted on 11/24/2015 4:09:48 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: marvel5
Welcome to FR.

Full disclosure. I don't like Putin.

5.56mm

64 posted on 11/24/2015 4:11:12 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: jwalsh07; achilles2000

Russia annexed Crimea after a referendum supported by about 96% of the population. The population revolted after the US-fostered oligarch/neo-Nazi coup that deposed a legitimate government in Kiev that Crimeans had voted for 80% plus.

There is no evidence to support Western/exiled oligarch propaganda about murdered journalists, etc. Putin has always enjoyed high popularity ratings. Whatever you think of him, he is a smart man who knows any conceivable benefit that might accrue to him by such actions would be more than offset by the avalanche of propaganda that it would afford his opponents.


65 posted on 11/24/2015 4:12:12 PM PST by marvel5
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To: marvel5

You must be living inside Russian propaganda bubble.


66 posted on 11/24/2015 4:14:32 PM PST by Krosan
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To: marvel5

Right and its also a myth that Putin suspended elections and appointed party apparatchiks in an effort to further the Putinista notion of pluralism and democracy. I know you’re a Putin fanboy. You don’t have to prove it.


67 posted on 11/24/2015 4:21:22 PM PST by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: jwalsh07

Hunh? We’re talking about Crimea, now part of Russia. Crimea is on the Black Sea....Black Sea to Sea of Marmara to Mediterranean Sea. Hence, annexing Crimea = access to a warm water port just like I said.

Check it on a map, FRiend.


68 posted on 11/24/2015 4:25:16 PM PST by citizen (A government governed by acronym agencies is dangerous to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness)
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To: duckln

“Horse crap is not an answer. “

Yeah well the answer is for you to pack up and move home to “Mother Russia.” We don’t need “reject Communists” telling us just how “good” Russia is today. The only “Good Russian’s” I know today are Jews who manged to leave that dump during the time when it was the USSR. They don’t have a very high opinion of the place, and it’s not much better now. And as for “home schooling” my children, they all have children of their own and they would tell you exactly what I’m writing righ now!


69 posted on 11/24/2015 4:31:18 PM PST by vette6387
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To: jwalsh07

I don’t know precisely what you are referring to. It is true that Russian governors were appointed rather than elected from 2005 to 2012 and have since been elected. My understanding is that this change was made to deal with areas where corrupt governors held enough sway to get elected. In any case, governors are no longer appointed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_(Russia)


70 posted on 11/24/2015 4:33:15 PM PST by marvel5
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To: marvel5

Look, it’s hard to get people whose brains ossified somewhere around 1979 to take into account changed circumstances and current facts. You are right about all of that, and I would add that the disputed areas of the eastern Ukraine are majority ethnic Russians who don’t also want to live under the government Obama installed by a coup.


71 posted on 11/24/2015 4:37:25 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: marvel5
He is there legally. Why is the US there illegally supporting radical jihadis?
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Now, will international law experts explain this one? Talk about crazy strategic strategy. Under international law, the U.S. and other participants have willy nilly invaded Syrian territory. And their priority in doing so is to act as international policeman to take out the brutal dictator Assad. You would think the world has more to fear with Assad being in control than ISIS. Let's get our priorities straight for a change. I do not recall Assad being an international threat to our national security the way ISIS is. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to realize that only iron fisted dictators can maintain any semblance of order in Islamic populated territory. Otherwise, the normal Islam order prevails, which is the tribal state to kill or be killed that has gone on for millennia.
72 posted on 11/24/2015 4:39:27 PM PST by iontheball
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To: iontheball

“You do not need to be a rocket scientist to realize that only iron fisted dictators [like Assad] can maintain any semblance of order in Islamic populated territory. Otherwise, the normal Islam order prevails, which is the tribal state to kill or be killed that has gone on for millennia.”


Yes to that.


73 posted on 11/24/2015 4:45:00 PM PST by citizen (A government governed by acronym agencies is dangerous to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness)
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To: MeganC

“I like that you didn’t argue with me about the “Comrade Chekist” comment. That says a lot all on its own.”

That he is mature enough not to call you names back? What a typical chick mentality. You said it so he MUST respond to every retarded word you say? lol,,,,
Just by chance, did you ever live in Texas and go by the name of Leslie?


74 posted on 11/24/2015 4:53:16 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: DesertRhino

“Just by chance, did you ever live in Texas and go by the name of Leslie?”

No, I live in Wyoming and I usually go by the name of “Momma”.


75 posted on 11/24/2015 4:58:08 PM PST by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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To: Travis McGee
Don't forget, Turkey claims something like ten miles inside the actually Syrian border as a buffer zone so I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the map they provided shows the actual border plus that ten miles.
76 posted on 11/24/2015 5:00:44 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: marvel5
Thanks for your posts. I'm trying to understand Putin, but have always believed that Russia and Russians, not former Soviet Russia and the Soviets, are our (America's) natural friends and allies and would have been were it not for the Soviet speed bump and all that followed.

That was then, this is now and, as it is now, our nation has been eating the same poisoned fruit that killed Russia and made them Soviets.

We are becoming what they were, whereas Russia has been reborn from the Soviet ashes and, if what I've read is correct, is quite possibly following His Holy Plan, and will become a symbol of God's Glory.

This appears to be the case for them, whereas the opposite appears to be true for our leadership and nation.

Hmmm...I've read that God will take away from one and give it to another:

"Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance.
Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them."
Matthew 13:12
And this also appears to be the changing world dynamic for America and possibly for the Russians.

No wonder the Russians love Putin. Let's all hope and pray he stays the course and that we reverse ours.

In the meantime, assuming Putin behaves, it will take a long time for many of US to forget the past.

It took my dad until 1998 to forgive the Japanese for Pearl Harbor, but from then on he bought nothing but Japanese vehicles.

It took a long time for that big step and I suspect the same is true for our generation's forgiving and forgetting, just as with my dad and his.

77 posted on 11/24/2015 5:06:36 PM PST by GBA (Just a hick in paradise)
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To: vette6387

“Russia couldn’t build a decent flush toilet during the Cold War.”

Don’t know where you heard that. I wound up over there once, right after the collapse, long story. I sat on an authentic soviet era throne.
So I finished my business and pushed the lever, and was unprepared for what happened next. About 250-300 gallons of water went through it in about 3 seconds. I can only describe it by saying it created a sound and feel as though I had pulled the handles on a Martin Baker rocket powered ejection seat.
I actually thought some sort of suction force might pull my anus inside out, jam my ass irretrievably down into the bowl,,, or something.

Might not have been water efficient or California approved, but yes FRiend. They sure could build a seat.


78 posted on 11/24/2015 5:06:43 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: citizen

“...and why did he annex Crimea?
Warm water port. Decades or longer of severe cold is coming, freezing northern Russian ports.”

1790s to be specific. They would no more let Sevastopol be a NATO base than we would give them Norfolk. For bonus points ask who the Light Brigade was fighting in Crimea in 1854?

Silly to harp on about Crimea. Glad it didn’t fall to the Nazis.


79 posted on 11/24/2015 5:12:06 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: DesertRhino

best post of the day...


80 posted on 11/24/2015 5:12:51 PM PST by Pelham (A refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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