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Raw Video: Chicago Police dashcam video of Laquan McDonald shooting
You Tube ^ | 11/24/2015

Posted on 11/24/2015 5:03:03 PM PST by hole_n_one

McDonald runs towards one police cruiser while brandishing a knife, a 2nd cruiser rolls up, cop steps out walks towards McDonald and proceeds to shoot him 16 times.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: badcopnodonut; chicagaopd; chicago; goodriddance; illinois; laquanmcdonald; lookwhohatescops; thugcops
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To: DoodleDawg

Maybe he felt threatened, maybe not; however, interpretation of edged weapon defense training may be an issue.

Article: “However widespread that contaminated interpretation may be, it is NOT accurate. A suspect with a knife within 21 feet of an officer is POTENTIALLY a deadly threat. He does warrant getting your gun out and ready. But he cannot be considered an actual threat justifying deadly force until he takes the first overt action in furtherance of intention—like starting to rush or lunge toward the officer with intent to do harm. Even then there may be factors besides distance that influence a force decision.”

http://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/102828-Edged-Weapon-Defense-Is-or-was-the-21-foot-rule-valid-Part-1/


81 posted on 11/24/2015 6:14:09 PM PST by SetFree (American)
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To: DoodleDawg

The deceased had a weapon and apparently did not heed police officer commands to stop.


82 posted on 11/24/2015 6:14:09 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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To: Ronald_Magnus

And once that five second cycle is done, he’s back up and running.


83 posted on 11/24/2015 6:14:13 PM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the week or the timid. - Ike)
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To: USNBandit

Cop paused long enough to possibly decide to finish the guy off.

Watching the whole thing I could see how tensions mounted as the cops drove a considerable distance at high speed and risk to get there, adrenalin pumping on arrival.


84 posted on 11/24/2015 6:18:23 PM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the week or the timid. - Ike)
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To: celmak

You back that claim up.

NO department would risk the massive liability inevitable from training “once you start shooting don’t stop until you’re empty”.

This video is prime example of why the trained rule is “shoot to stop”.
“Shoot to kill” leads to exactly this scenario, a la “he’s stopped attacking but still breathing, keep shooting until he’s dead” with prison time for the shooter.


85 posted on 11/24/2015 6:23:01 PM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the week or the timid. - Ike)
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To: ctdonath2

It’s a scene where fear is king.


86 posted on 11/24/2015 6:24:33 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Thanks for the illustrative illustration!


87 posted on 11/24/2015 6:26:37 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
Now in general, consider a thought experiment where the race roles are reversed

Try this one: An everyday citizen (no badge, no union, no adoring FR fans) does this because he feels "threatened".

88 posted on 11/24/2015 6:29:43 PM PST by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

There have been spotty cases in which the “civilian” claim to a justifying fear did prevail against even officials. But the bias of standards is quite clear.


89 posted on 11/24/2015 6:31:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: hole_n_one
The interesting part of the video starts at 5:18. At 5:32 the suspect is shot and goes down. At no time do you see the suspect moving toward the cops who shot him. If a knife was the weapon claimed, he wasn't moving toward the cops in a threatening fashion. 2nd unit rolls up at 6:20 into the video. The whole incident lasted a minute.
90 posted on 11/24/2015 6:38:56 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: DaveyB

Plus...cops have the legal authority to use deadly force. This guy had a weapon, slashed a tire on a cop car. He was not following orders to stop...but, the overkill is a problem. Gonna be an interesting case.


91 posted on 11/24/2015 6:39:49 PM PST by basalt (t)
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To: chris37

Mercy!


92 posted on 11/24/2015 6:40:38 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: 2banana

If he was white, we wouldn’t be having this conversation... the media would cover it up.


93 posted on 11/24/2015 6:46:35 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

Truly, I agree, CNN was just stumping this story for effect. But how many White Cops are we going to see getting shot in the streets after this? This is just going to steam roll for the next few weeks sadly. Pray for the cops out there!


94 posted on 11/24/2015 6:49:31 PM PST by eaglegso
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To: hole_n_one

It’s sad that a 17yo young man’s life went down that road, high on PCP and walking around with a knife.

Whether or not the officer was justified in the shooting, I don’t know. It’s just an all-around sad video to watch.

There are some 17-year-olds who are a menace to society, and they deserve no sympathy. But I know nothing about this particular 17yo. Did he have a criminal record?


95 posted on 11/24/2015 6:59:33 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: hole_n_one

Laquan you be DRT !


96 posted on 11/24/2015 7:11:00 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: twister881

Can’t agree on this one, This looks like murder or at least manslaughter, way over the top , he was not running at the police. I was 100% behind Officer Wilson and some of the others, but this is bad, should be charged with at least manslaughter. I think the bigger thing to watch was there a coverup, rumors have been out that some video was erased and other things. Rahm, going to have to show his political skills on this one. Notice another case of all Democratic run city.


97 posted on 11/24/2015 7:13:30 PM PST by shoedog
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To: Tired of Taxes

He was high on pcp. My bet is he had at least 8 arrests.


98 posted on 11/24/2015 7:15:51 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: hole_n_one
We're going to need more fish.


99 posted on 11/24/2015 7:22:19 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: RitaOK
Cops may have reason to believe he was on PCP. If so, a cop doesn't dare give a guy time to arrive at nose to nose.

So a cop "belives" a suspect may be on PCP so they can start blazing away?

100 posted on 11/24/2015 7:28:31 PM PST by semimojo
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