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New York Times: A Definitive Debunking of Donald Trump’s 9/11 Claims
New York Times ^ | 11/25/2015 | Jim Dwyer

Posted on 11/25/2015 7:28:30 AM PST by SeekAndFind

How alarmed were New Jersey officials by reports of Muslims dancing in the streets of Jersey City and Paterson on Sept. 11, 2001, to celebrate the destruction of the World Trade Center?

They feared riots would break out and were ready to send in the National Guard and the State Police to preserve order.

But John J. Farmer Jr., then the New Jersey attorney general and the state's chief law enforcement officer, said on Tuesday that he ordered an investigation that very day and found the reports to be bogus, more wild stories born in the stricken hours after the attacks.

Nevertheless, those ancient, false rumors were recycled as truth over the weekend by Donald J. Trump, who has folded them into his calls for the national registration of Muslims and possible closing of mosques.

Reporters were unable to find any evidence for his story, but Mr. Trump stuck with it in a television interview on Sunday. "It did happen," he said. "I saw it. It was on television."

Few people, if any, could address the circumstances more definitively than Mr. Farmer, who went on to serve as senior counsel to the Sept. 11 commission.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2016election; 911; demagogicparty; donaldtrump; election2016; jimdwyer; memebuilding; muslims; newjersey; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; trump
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To: jpsb

Very well said.

How is it that they can’t see, we are sick of politicians and politics as usual. We are fed up with the illegal invasion of our country, having to work two jobs just to put food on the table. We aren’t going to “see the light” and vote for someone else.

...However the not trump candidates that sat on the side lines cheering the smear campaign to trash Trump will never get the hard core supporters of Trump...


121 posted on 11/25/2015 3:26:35 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: dead
This is who you're afraid to say it to.
Come on, you're certain the rest of us are lying aren't you?
122 posted on 11/25/2015 3:27:13 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: jpsb
Only Trump is not owned by billionaire donors, Chamber of Commence, Club for Growth, and the Wall St bankers.

But Hillary Clinton loves cashing his campaign checks.

123 posted on 11/25/2015 3:30:10 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Revenge is a Daesh best served cold.)
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To: Right Brother

As I recall, there were Muslims celebrating in Washington - Seattle? maybe, and other places along with the east coast. Where on the east coast I don’t remember.

I do remember being furious that it was happening in the United States. Yes, I saw the Middle East ones too but that did not make me nearly as angry. My thinking was how could an American citizen celebrate the attack on America? Seemed like treason to me.


124 posted on 11/25/2015 3:32:47 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: SeekAndFind

In the 1930’s they could not find any evidence of mass starvation and mass executions in the Soviet Union and one of their reporters even received a prize for lying about it.


125 posted on 11/25/2015 3:40:39 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Darksheare

What are you? Eleven? I’m not going to drag Jim into this because I doubt he would appreciate being pulled, like your big brother, into all your petty squabbles. And I haven’t once called you, Jim, or Trump a liar for being in error - but now I’m calling you a liar for saying I did. Go tell your big brother.


126 posted on 11/25/2015 3:53:58 PM PST by dead ("I'm up to my eyeball in virgin goats!" - Mullah Omar)
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To: dead

In other words, you’ll challenge everyone else, call them liars be unbelievable, but you won’t say it to him?
You sure you’re right?


127 posted on 11/25/2015 3:55:06 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: dead
Trump could just admit as much and the story would wrap up harmlessly, but he's going to keep insisting he was right because that's his style. And his believers cling to his myth of infallibility.

Yeah, and if Cruz wins the primary then he'll be "infallable," too, at least when it comes to democrats and their lame stream media cohorts. Why do republicans always have to say they were mistaken to make the media move on, yet democrats lie and lie and lie, even when they don't HAVE to lie, and it's perfectly okay?

Nope. It's time we all quit cowing down to liars. It starts NOW. Why do you think Trump has been in the lead for months? Because he's stubborn and won't give an inch. And that's what it'll take to convince the 2017 Congress to help him undo all the damage done by ValJar and her sidekick.

Never. Back. Down!

128 posted on 11/25/2015 4:20:35 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1482430/posts?page=3#3

Gee, back in 2005 there were people who recalled the dancing in the streets..


129 posted on 11/25/2015 4:33:32 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/05/20/patterson-nj-the-city-whose-large-palestinian-population-celebrated-the-attacks-on-911-now-celebrate-palestinian-american-day/

Oh gee..


130 posted on 11/25/2015 4:35:04 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: dead

And not only THAT, but look at what the media is accomplishing with this. Just look at all the FR conversations and fighting about it over the past few days. We’re being played. Are Trump bashers so hung up on bashing that they’re going to allow themselves to be played, ONCE AGAIN, by democrats? Don’t be stuck on stupid. They’re laughing at everyone who spends more than 10 minutes discussing this. What friggin difference does it make? Who CARES if Trump ‘misremembers’ something? His “style” of not backing down scares them to death. Embrace it. With Cruz as his VP and then as President for another 8 years,... Can you imagine?!

ALL that matters is that we stick together this time. What will Trump-bashers do if Trump is defeated by this manipulative nonsense that’s designed to split us apart? Who’s going to be there to help you defend YOUR candidate from being taken down like this by democrats?


131 posted on 11/25/2015 4:35:58 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Darksheare

You are a sad little loser as well as a liar. This is the last time I’ll repeat myself but anybody who thinks they saw thousands of Muslims celebrating in NJ on television is mistaken. That includes Trump and Jim, if he even thinks that. That doesn’t make them liars, just wrong. You on the other hand are a liar as well as a juvenile who can’t fight his own verbal battles. I assume you are a grown man. I have never, as an adult, called an uninvolved person into an argument. That’s for fifth graders, and only the wimpy ones at that. You should be embarrassed.


132 posted on 11/25/2015 5:49:28 PM PST by dead ("I'm up to my eyeball in virgin goats!" - Mullah Omar)
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To: dead
Is the FBI credible to you?
And all you have is insults?
You don't even have the strength of conviction to stand by what you insist is true and say it to this person, yet you'll insult everyone else?
Where is your strength of conviction?
Do you have any?
133 posted on 11/25/2015 5:51:54 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: Nita Nupress
It's not an important issue, but it's indicative that no matter what tall tales and nonsense Trump spits out, his maniacal acolytes will defend him. It's reminiscent of both Bill Clinton and Obamas drones. And he's not even a conservative! With some witty zingers at some sacred cows, he wrangled the undying loyalty of people who used to be conservative.

If I have to vote for big-government Trump, I will, but while I still have a chance to vote for a conservative I'll hold out hope.

134 posted on 11/25/2015 5:58:43 PM PST by dead ("I'm up to my eyeball in virgin goats!" - Mullah Omar)
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To: dead
Ford motor co fired some little celebratory muzzies, got sued, and won against their complaint.
135 posted on 11/25/2015 6:00:29 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: dead

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/09/18/northern-new-jersey-draws-probers-eyes/40f82ea4-e015-4d6e-a87e-93aa433fafdc/?postshare=7281448290025183&tid=ss_fb


136 posted on 11/25/2015 6:01:41 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: Darksheare

A single retired FBI agent thinks it’s not impossible that Trump saw some Muslims celebrating. You’re seriously pathetic. Ping me when you find the video.


137 posted on 11/25/2015 6:02:19 PM PST by dead ("I'm up to my eyeball in virgin goats!" - Mullah Omar)
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To: dead

A quote from the last linked article: “In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners’ plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.”


138 posted on 11/25/2015 6:02:47 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: dead

So no matter what you are shown, no muslims in the US celebrated?


139 posted on 11/25/2015 6:03:14 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: dead
maniacal acolytes... drones... undying loyalty...

Like I said, I'll own it, as long as it's either Cruz or Trump. Screw the dems. Screw the liberal media. And especially screw the RINOs. No more caving or letting them manipulate us. All that matters this time is that we win because there won't BE a next time if we lose.

If I have to vote for big-government Trump, I will, ...

Good. At least now I can take you out of my "Dumbazz" column. 'Cause I was thinking I would've noticed it by now if you belonged in that category. And that would mean i just wasted 10 minutes I'll never see again. :)

... but while I still have a chance to vote for a conservative I'll hold out hope.

See? We DO agree on something. I'd much rather Cruz were in first place all this time instead of Trump because he's much better with the Constitution. But Cruz won't attract liberal cross-over votes. We have to get enough votes to overcome all the dead people, illegal immigrants, and felons who will be voting next November. If Cruz had Trump's outspoken, take-no-prisoners personality, he would be perfect, but he doesn't. Give him 8 years under Trump, though,...

140 posted on 11/25/2015 6:39:04 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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