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To: hoosierham
>>But the Second Amendment IS for everyone.
All the permit system are clearly an infringement.<<

Yes, the 2nd amendment is for everyone....but! Some folks just don't have the maturity, demeanor, aptitude and or mental stability. This is why there is a permitting process.

Here's an example, different machine, same concept. I've known several folks in my life who wanted to ride motorcycles. Cool. But when you see them on their brand spankin new Harley, you can tell...this person needs some instruction before they hurt themselves. Most become proficient in maneuvering and handling the motorcycle...but not all.

I've know a couple of folks that ended up getting seriously injured. I could just tell from the get-go, they did not belong on a motorcycle. Same goes with firearms.

I believe that a person who is thinking of carrying a firearm openly or concealed should go through the permitting process.

It is the responsibility of law enforcement to ensure someone wanting to carry a firearm does not put another in jeopardy. In fact, during my three renewals, I attended class/range time to qualify and there were folks there (men and woman) that went out and purchased a brand new firearm and here they sit in a concealed carry class and have no idea how to operate that weapon. True story.

Some came to classroom with the firearms LOADED, I saw a few on the firing line experience a stove pipe and while attempting to workout the jam, they inadvertently pointed the weapon toward the person standing next to them.

The notion...anytime/anywhere sounds great, but firearms in the hands of the untrained novice is never a good thing.

First, a person must demonstrate the aptitude to manipulate that weapon in a safe manner. Load, unload, strip/clean and fire then holster safely.

Secondly, isn't a good idea for folks wanting to carry know the firearm laws...the do’s and don’ts?

Third, if a person is a felon...shouldn't they be vetted? If someone has a history of domestic violence or prone to road rage incidents or been arrested for assaults go through some sort of scrutiny?

Here in Texas, if you're a law abiding citizen, even with minor offenses in your past (5+ years past), you are still qualified to go through the class and obtain a permit. It is a very simple process and to be quite frank...informative and somewhat fun. All the while, you're leaning about the law, the consequences of using/not using your firearm and range time to help that individual become proficient in the use of their weapon. I believe this is reasonable. Texas is a PRO-carry state and they do not attempt to stand in the way of law abiding citizens from carrying a firearm to protect themselves and their families. They have however set up a system to vet/train folks before they carry.

I went through an FBI and TX. DPS background check, 15 hours classroom instruction and then range time. Every single moment I felt was practical and reasonable.

13 posted on 11/29/2015 6:52:26 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, ‘What should be the reward of such sacrifices?’ Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
-Samuel Adams

Enjoy your chains...

Last time I looked, the 2nd didn’t say “shall not be infringed... except for felons - or whomever the gov’t might not approve of.”

You may not like it but the 2nd is absolute and ANY kind of “permit” is an infringement, like it or not.

Just like the “poor”, the idiots will always be with you. You can educate them but then all you get are educated idiots. Sort of like yourself, it seems.


21 posted on 11/29/2015 12:00:21 PM PST by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: servantboy777
My class was somewhat fun here in Idaho, but a good two hours of it was nothing but a commercial for buying legal insurance, gun trusts, and more classes. I felt like I was stuck in one of those timeshare things where you have to sit through an 8 hour commercial for your "free" vacation.

On the plus side, everyone in my class knew how to at least somewhat handle a firearm, and nobody pointed their weapons at other students. That was what the instructor called an insta-fail.

22 posted on 11/29/2015 12:22:52 PM PST by America_Right (Time to play your Trump card, America. Use it or lose it.)
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To: servantboy777

And what permitting and background checks did the writers of the Constitution and the other citizens need?

A motorcycle is an entirely different thing and would be better compared to the horse. Both are dangerous to the untrained.

You are still wanting the government to be everyone’s nanny.


25 posted on 11/30/2015 5:09:27 AM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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