Posted on 11/29/2015 6:12:20 AM PST by Kaslin
“It’s what I did. It’s why I’m a big Cruz supporter.”
Fine, but you never mentioned Cruz. Therefore you were Trump bashing.
I support Trump’s current smashing of the the establishment’s china. How it will end up I don’t know.
It’s good to be principled...like closing the border, building a wall, deportation of illegals/criminals, bring jobs back, negotiating good trade deals...making America great again.
I’ll respond to this again, because you were wondering why I over-reacted to it. I didn’t.
Your first point compares Trump with a beautiful narcissistic pole dancer using meth. You want to marry her, but you know it won’t end well.
I read too much into your post? You essentially compare voting for Trump to marrying this poll dancer, because it won’t end well.
Next you reference Trump making an enemies list, sure to be acted upon with regard to folks here. I’m reading too much into your post?
Then you state folks really need to think this through, and my only conclusion is that you are thinking of the folks who wish to vote for him and are missing these two warning signs.
If that’s not what you meant, then I’d like to know what you did mean.
The “hotness and amazing in the sack” is Trumps position about border fences and his living large by standing up to the GOPe and saying whatever comes to his mind in a “the MSM can stick it” way. You love that. I also love that.
The narcissistic pole dancer is also two things.
First, it is his “my way or the highway attitude. That’s great as long as he’s on your side, but if he’s not, well, you don’t want to find yourself on the other side regarding his beliefs, goals and power, especially if he is president in a post Obama world.
Second, He is NOT conservative. When you look at the issues in which he is counter to the conservative position we could find ourselves in a world of hurt, espectially considering his attitude and track record as touched on in the first point.
The man is dangerous to those with whom he disagrees. If he is president, that danger will be many times amplified. And he DOES disagree with conservatives on a LOT of important issues.
And as in the marriage I mentioned, it will not go well for that husband when her true character emerges when the physical infatuation wears off. I’ve seen it way too many times in real life. It’s why I use the analogy.
Regarding him making an enemies list, I really don’t know what you meant by that.
Fine, but you never mentioned Cruz. Therefore you were Trump bashing.
Castro did that. Lenin did that. Hitler did that.
I’d vote for none of them because there was more to them than just standing up to the status quo and sticking it to the man - as we all learned.
We must be more thoughtful in our assessment of what kind of leader he would be in specific situations. Especially those where it is WE who are opposed to his position.
You think Obama is out of control? Imagine Trump. Seriously.
Oh, I’m an Episcopalian, and we’ve gone over the edge too, in some of our churches. Hmmm. The Catholics are helping the illegal aliens, I don’t know about the others. So being a Presbyterian isn’t much different than the rest of us struggling with our liberal, homo bishops, helping illegal churches. We still believe and are Christians, that’s the reason, I think Donald Trump IS a Christian. Besides he absolutely LOVES America and Americans. He may be a loud mouth, but get a bunch of preachers in one room, and talk about Loud! Who are the Conservative Christians? No, I’m not being antagonistic, just curious.
I'm sorry...
So being a Presbyterian isn’t much different than the rest of us
Yeah... well - To the Christian Right, there's a vast difference - It isn't that he's Presbyterian, but rather, that he is Presbyterian(USA), which is the whacko-liberal Presbyterian denomination. Were he to be Presbyterian(OPC) or Presbyterian(PCA) the chances would be much better, because those denominations still adhere vigorously to the Westminster Confession, and to the sovereignty of Scripture. Much like Episcopalians and Lutheran(ELCA), Presbyterian(USA) no longer adheres to it's foundation, and is an offense to those who do.
Who are the Conservative Christians?
The Christian Right tends to be in Conservative branches and fundamentalist churches.
Baptists (generally, SBA especially), Presbyterian (OPC/PCA), Missouri Synod Lutheran, Pentecostals (AOG, Victory Chapels, etc), Anabaptists (Menonite, Hutterite, etc), A vast swath of Non-denominational Evangelicals (generally), Conservative Methodists (a crap-shoot), Messianics (Jew or Christian, necessarily), among others... And not to discount the Conservative Jews, Conservative Catholics (few and far between), Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, and Jehovah's Witnesses, who also tend to adhere closely to Biblical standards, albeit differently.
I even hear there is an Anglican Church in America for y'all to flee to, or some such, coming out of African bishops, since the Episcopalians went off the rails. The unmovable principle things of the Christian Right are The Right to Life, Traditional Marriage, and the general protection and preservation of the Judeo-Christian Ethic (moral standards). Of lesser importance (but still vital): Intelligent design (anti-Evolution), (anti) stem-cell research, school prayer, among others.
If Jeb was leading the polls we’d still have useful idiots saying to not vote for him because he’s squishy on this or that. The only way we win is to win united.
Why do so many people assume that a post to a thread is a post directly at them? It wasn’t. It was a response to several posts. You were just a convenient link when I quit reading them. No offense meant, Kaslin.
We agree that it is a top priority. Yet if it is truly that important to you, then you'd better think twice about Trump.
Mocking people is fine, denying you did it is silly.
You are doing what the media do and taking his words out of context.
As I remember it, he said he tries to make the situation right again.
I’m sure someone else will point this out but the woman called herself a dog.
Wheee! Just click you ruby slippers together and everything will be fine!
It isn't YOUR wishlist that matters - It's the other conservative factions. Of course you are going to vote what seems right to you, but if you are not going to hold up the principles of all of us along with your own (meaning even the ones you don't especially care about), then not only will you lose, but you are doing a terrible disservice to the Conservative movement.
Supporting a candidate who is nominally Christian at best is telling the Christians that their deeply held convictions do not matter - Causing division. What that will inevitably do is cause the Christians to lift up their own candidate, who regards their principles as paramount, and thus the division is completed. Now two conservative factions are directly in opposition, and the neocon walks up the middle and takes the prize (only to lose in the general).
The only way we win is for every conservative faction to be represented in the candidate - A candidate who stands for ALL American Conservative principles. There is only one out there that can pull that off, and that ain't trump.
You guys get the bit in your teeth and forget that trump has nothing to offer the Christians, and nothing to offer the Military/Foreign Policy guys, and nothing to offer the civil-libertarians... He has a poor record, and all we can go by is election year promises (and we all know what those are worth).
Of course Christians should not vote trump. He has nothing at all for them, and cannot serve them.
This is not the same as the teaching of the "Prosperity Churches." It is one aspect of Christianity, though, which stresses strength and success in good things through confidence that God will help you, and not succumbing to failure and despair.
You might say it is a good Christian philosophy for a president of the United States, especially at this moment. If Trump were a different kind of Christian he might be more soft-spoken in his attitude and yes, even more strictly obedient to Scripture.
Yet because of many of the reasons stated on this thread, I see him as immeasurably superior to all the other candidates to be a world leader. If I'm wrong, I hope I will see it. May the Lord give us all the power to see what is right for us, or give us the leader of his choice in any case.
Yeah but Jesus didn’t say, “Oh you poor thing, you’re not a dog. You are a winner!” He played along.
Yes. Yes he does. And that only makes him a person trying to be good. Muslims do that. Stoics do that. Hindus do that. Trump’s statement is clear and the context is clear. He said he doesn’t believe he he’s ever asked for God’s forgiveness.
Do you know any Christians that would say that. If they did, would you see them as a Christian?
It appears that many Christians are supporting Trump based on his numbers...true, there may be many others that are supporting him, but does that make the Christians that are supporting him any less Christian? Or the others any less important? What I’m hearing is that Christians should support Cruz because he says he’s a conservative Chritian, but yet if he is weak on certain issues with respect to other candidates, that doesn’t matter? So we get a candidate that is very strongly religious, but is weak on borders, illegal immigration, etc., that’s ok? That’s a case for Carson and Jeb.
WOW, I didn’t know all that. Thank you. We have found a Baptists church, evangelicals...Thank goodness.
His answer was perfect. An acknowledgment to future Gentile followers that their faith in him is great, and acceptable to him.
I wondered if he was trying to avoid further questions from the moderator when he said that. “Oh really? What have you asked forgiveness for?” To that question, he could only have told his sins to the whole world, or said “Mind your own business,” and neither of those would have gone over well. It was a gotcha question.
If he really meant it, he does need to do a bit more work on that. In his own heart, though. He doesn’t need to tell everybody about it.
This is a new kind of litmus test we have here. I don’t hear that question being asked of the others.
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