Trump or Cruz: Which Revolution Will it Be?

Conservative Review ^ | November 30th, 2015 | Steve Deace

[Isara]

"Either gather around Cruz, on behalf of the values that won the American Revolution, or Trump's "burn it down" French Revolution will likely win."

[TBP]

John LeBoutillier pointed out that in Trump, Carson, and Cruz, the Republican Party “has three insurgencies in a party that never has insurgencies.”

[Isara]

Presidential Candidates Comparison (Bush vs. Carson vs. Cruz vs. Rubio vs. Trump)

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[Isara]

TRUSTED.

[dforest]

If it isn’t Trump, the Clinton revolution will win.

[GonzoII]

"Trump or Cruz: Which Revolution Will it Be?"

Not Trump or Cruz, but both, the Trump and Cruz Revolution.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Both.

Trump/Cruz 2016, then Trump goes back to being a billionaire and it’s Cruz/Somebody Else 2020.

[TBP]

No, Trump is a crony capitalist/populist. Cruz can win and begin to dismantle the revolution. About 6 Republicans lead Her Majesty right now.

[Vendome]

“Everybody has had a chance at pulling the sword from the 2016 presidential stone.”

Quite the apt analogy and funny.

[stephenjohnbanker]

Winner.

[cripplecreek]

[Jane Long]

Trump....all the way.

Only candidate not owned by any of the COC/Cheap Labor PACs/donors.

We the People are tired of the DC career politicians/govt employees.

We need a time tested business person (one who has negotiated billion $ contracts AND had to make/cover payroll....for thousands worldwide) to turn this mess around.

[Isara]

Trump supported TARP, auto bailout and Porkulus bill, i.e., Trump is for big government and big businesses.

Trump's Record on Free-market Issue: (from the Conservative Review)

Trump has a terrible record on free market issues. The only bright spot is the Federal Reserve's quantitative easing, but this glimmer is countermanded by his repeated support for bailing out Wall Street and the auto industry, and increased stimulus spending. Of particular concern is Trump's belief that the government can use eminent domain powers to seize private property in the name of private economic development. This comes as no surprise, given his support for using eminent domain to profit his own company.

Trump supported the Supreme Court’s 2005 decision in Kelo v. City of London, allowing public authorities to seize private land for economic development by private investors; Trump said, “I happen to agree with [the decision] 100 percent.” (National Review)  This is no surprise given Trump’s attempt to use eminent domain in his own line of work. (Institute for Justice)

Trump supported President Obama’s 2009 stimulus, saying: “The word stimulus is probably not used in its fullest…you know, certain of the things that were given weren't really stimulus. They were pork, as we call it, or they were gifts to certain people. But overall, I think he's [President Obama] doing very well. You do need stimulus and you do have to keep the banks alive.” (CNN) 

Trump supported TARP, saying, "You had to do something to shore up the banks, because ... you would have had a run on every bank." (CNN) 

Trump supported the 2008 auto bailout, saying, “I think the government should stand behind them 100 percent. You cannot lose the auto companies. They’re great. They make wonderful products.” He also said that the federal government could “easily save the companies.” (Daily Caller) 

Trump criticized the Federal Reserve’s intervention in the debt market, saying quantitative easing creates “phony numbers” that mislead the marketplace and “will not ultimately benefit the economy. The dollar will go down in value and inflation will start rearing its ugly head.” (CNBC) 

Donald Trump has a history of using eminent domain to complete business deals. Multiple times Trump has supported the use of government agencies to take possession of homes and businesses for use in his private business plans. Eminent domain seizures are reserved only for public use of property rather than abuse by the government taking property from one individual and giving to another. (Washington Post) 

Donald Trump has sought and received crony capitalist tax breaks for his commercial properties in New York. These tax breaks, and even an abatement, force the property taxes of other property owners to rise at the expense of the connected. Special treatment for one business or industry over another with the tax code conflicts with free market principles. (National Review) 

In 2009, Trump supported Barack Obama's call for limits on the pay of executives. (CNN)

[Isara]

Presidential Candidates Comparison (Cruz vs. Trump)

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Budget, Spending & Debt
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Education
Energy & Environment
Foreign Policy & Defense
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Health Care & Entitlements
Immigration
Moral Issues
Second Amendment
Taxes, Economy & Trade

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[Signalman]

Trump for President of the United States.

Cruz for President of the Senate of the United States.

[Isara]

"And I say that as someone very appreciative of Trump undeniably destroying Jeb Bush and the GOP establishment's stranglehold on the primary process. Our movement owes him a debt of gratitude for that. But let us also not pretend, on the other hand, that someone who held progressive positions on virtually every meaningful issue just a couple of years ago is really one of us."

[SandRat]

Cruz or loose. Period!

All the others but Cruz are just noise makers and nothing more.

[Isara]

Trump's Record on Civil-liberty Issue: (from the Conservative Review)

"Trump has an inconsistent record when it comes to civil liberties. He supported the NSA mass surveillance program but did not weigh in on the recently passed reforms. Overall, he has avoided commenting on religious freedom, but says he would be an advocate for Christians. Trump supports an individual’s right to make unlimited campaign contributions, but advocates for an end to soft money in politics. Most concerning is Trump’s belief that the government can use eminent domain powers to seize private property for economic benefit for others."

Trump supports the NSA’s metadata collection program, saying, “I support legislation which allows the NSA to hold the bulk metadata. For oversight, I propose that a court, which is available any time on any day, is created to issue individual rulings on when this metadata can be accessed.” This position was identical to the NSA’s mass surveillance program before being reformed by the USA Freedom Act. (Newsweek) 

Trump has avoided commenting on religious freedom since Indiana passed its Religious Freedom and Restoration Act into law. Instead, he has said that he will be the “greatest representative of the Christians they've had in a long time” if elected president. (Christian Today) (Breitbart)  

Trump believes political soft money should be banned, while individuals should be allowed to make unlimited contributions. "If I were drawing a political cartoon to represent the situation, it would include a very large guy with a huge bag of money. On that bag would be written one word: soft. Soft money is the bane of the current system and we need to get rid of it." (The America We Deserve) 

Trump supported the Supreme Court’s 2005 decision in Kelo v. City of New London, giving public authorities the right to seize private land for economic development by private investors. Trump said, “I happen to agree with [the decision] 100 percent.” (National Review)

Trump highlighted his support for prosecuting "hate crimes" against homosexuals in his 2000 book, The America We Deserve. “Hate Crime” is a term used to extend special protections for a specific classes and in essence elevates the importance of these classes above others. For example, murder of homosexual or heterosexual should be viewed equally under the law and punished equally. Creating special classes is a liberal tactic used to divide and segment society.(Google Books)

Trump said that Kim Davis should not have been jailed for refusing to issue gay marriage licenses. He also said that she should allow her deputy clerks to do so, but also said that 30 miles away you can get a license so people should do that. He added, "The decision's been made, and that is the law of the land." (CNN)

Much like his stance on eminent domain, Donald Trump has shown a troubling tendency to want to use the power of government to stifle political speech. When the conservative Club for Growth released an advertisement regarding Trump's changing positions on taxation, Trump responded with a legal letter calling for them to cease and desist the advertisements. A chilling move towards the silencing of political speech. (Politico)

Donald Trump attacked SuperPACs (political action committees) in the third Republican debate. By suggesting they should be outlawed he came out against the First Amendment protection of speech, and echoed progressive talking points. (Time)

[Dana1960]

I may be in the minority, but I want a clean break from elected officials. And despite my admiration for him, that includes Cruz. He has to raise money, just like the others, and it will involve many people I’m not exactly in love with. His contemporaries in the elected class already detest him, so it’s unlikely he’ll be able to accomplish much. His best bet is a nom to SCOTUS just because the Senate would like him to be out of there. I have not forgotten for one second how Sen. Cruz enabled the nearly inevitable passage of TPP, despite his poor explanations for his vote. If he is as brilliant as many say, he couldn’t possibly have been so bamboozled. The other explanation is that he knew what he was doing. There are no other options, folks. And no, I don’t think Cruz will build a wall or deport anyone.

Count me in the “Burn it down” camp.

We’ve tried everything else. We have nothing else to lose, now.

[Sybeck1]

” If Huckabee, Santorum, or Rubio (or several others) had built the campaign Cruz has, I would happily be on board. But they didn’t. Cruz did. “

Guy would have eagerly supported Rubio the Amnesty Prince if he had just got the ground game going. Deace is a putz