Posted on 12/02/2015 6:28:43 AM PST by TigerClaws
Trump basically got it right.
The GOPe and the enemedia are desperate. Folks just aren’t falling for their lies. It must irritate them to no end. Too bad!
Ok thanks. This is my point though. Apparently, as far as I can see, he didn’t say “thousands in New Jersey cheered” he just said “thousands cheered”. Surely thousands around the world cheered so when Donald Trump said what the Times quoted him as saying, he wasn’t incorrect.
I’m not a Trumper I’m just trying to get to the bottom of this and I really don’t support Trump (right now), so I’m pretty objective here, but to me this seems like another manufactured controversy on the part of the MSM to distract from the truth we all know, which is that thousands around the world did cheer on 9/11, and some of them were in NJ.
Hey look more goal post shifting.
I doubt FR would be “all over it” if such person you named said something about the size of say a protest 15 years. If one of the people you said stated that a rally had thousands of people when it was found out that it was only hundreds it would be posted and everyone would say “ok maybe their lying maybe they forgot either way the debate is over it had hundreds”.
Yet its clear the media is not just lying about the issue, not just actively destroying evidence about the issue but dragging this all over the place.
If the media would come out and say yeah muslim were cheering, alot of muslims across the world, millions in fact but the number of muslims in paterson NJ was unlikely thousands but likely hundreds this whole issue would disappear over night.
The media kneejerked and outright lied... there is ZERO evidence trump willful lied. Trump can back down AFTER the media admits A. yes we lied, B. Yes we lied solely to attack trump, C. At no point did we the media bother to check and still to this point we haven’t checked if what trump said was true or not.
Then and only then should trump back down.
Same here.
If Breitbart wants to communicate to me, they need to clean themselves up first.
Until then, they are quarantined as diseased vermin.
No one could believe that no U.S. Muslims celebrated when it happened. But Trump said he saw it on TV. It may not be a substantive mistake to the heart of the issue, but it seems like a mistake at this point since no video has surfaced.
Also, if that video had aired at the time, I’m sure someone would’ve been discussing it on FR or on other forums. I haven’t seen anyone dig up posts from around that time where people discussed seeing such a video. I tried to use Google to search FR posts around that time for keywords and I couldn’t find any discussion about a video of it.
I’m sure this video has been posted already: http://youtu.be/oMOZvbYJMvU
But if you mean video of Muslims in America celebrating? I suppose that might be difficult to find. Maybe Trump confused video such as what I posted above with coverage of what American Muslims were doing on 9/11. It’s an easy mistake to make and perfectly understandable given written and oral reports of celebrating Muslims in Jersey.
“There are reports of eyewitnesses seeing celebrations in Brooklyn.”
In Queens, too. I distinctly remember hearing about it shortly afterwards.
“Where was that airliner going to be crashed? Capitol? WH?
NY Stock Exchange?”
Nov. 10, 2001, a plane crashed in NYC which was immediately proclaimed to not be terror-related.
Only it WAS, and years later was quietly reported here and there, if reported at all.
I recall them celebrating. So do other people I know. None of us are delusional. The frenzy to attack D. Trump is getting frantic.
“but it seems like a mistake at this point since no video has surfaced.”
The vast majority of taping back then was done on VHS and such. Very few ppl had blackberries with built in cameras. Its not completely shocking that no videos would come to light more so not quickly. The video of the CBS story was recorded to vhs and then the guys used(most likely) his cell phone camera to post it on youtube.
The media isn’t going to do any foot work to help trump. So news videos are off the table unless someone has them on VHS.
Let's for a moment say the people I named said nothing about Muslims celebrating the towers. Let's change it to the aforementioned people saying they say thousands and thousands of Christians cheering an abortion clinic bombing. (Yeah, that would never happen, but let's say a few gathered and did). FR would be all over that and demanding proof.
I can't believe Limbaugh or Hannity wouldn't have commented on thousands and thousand of Jersey City residents celebrating. That would have been right up their alley. Yet, outside of the hands of MSM, they haven't produced their comments during those days. What of the other natinoal or local hosts who can somehow find stuff from their archives in the 90's but have yet to produce where they commented on thousands and thousands of Jersey City celebrants.
I don't doubt for a moment there were some happy Muslims in Jersey City and many other cities of large Muslim populations. I know many nice Muslims. The world has shown us there are some that simply don't like the western world and are happy with any setback.
But why should the media admit they are lying when in fact it is likely they haven't on this topic. That Mr. Trump may have a memory issue with this is more likely. Even George Bush once said he was told of the North Tower being hit before he began addressing that classroom. Memories are funny things.
Adblock should advertise on Breitbart.
A perfect test case!
Well, that makes two of us. LOL
Except the media has been shown to be outright lying. The media is claiming that no muslim cheered the 9/11 attacks... thats an out and out clear lie.
Why should trump back down on what could be true when the media is still at this very moment still lying. Makes no sense. Why should trump back down when more and more evidence keeps coming out to support his version. We’ve gone from none, to a few, to a few terrorists who knew the towers were coming down, to tens possible 40 or 50... now were at hundreds. Why back down? Why not wait until we have evidence that trump is indeed WRONG... because right now no such evidence exists. We have overwhelming evidence that the media has lied about this and is still lying about this. The focus now should be on those changing the story and going into cover up mood. Unless trump changes his claims evidence support or disproving him will surface.
I’ve not seen where the media claimed no Muslim celebrated. Can you help with that?
No matter what evidence is found, a large portion of the American people will still claim this Moslem cheering never happened. It’s the same people who will always believe “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” in Ferguson, MO.
Wasn't something like this done to the NBC interview of Juanita Broaddrick, c. 1999? It was also done with original footage of the actual attack and collapse of the World Trade Center.
try paying attention to even just this thread... my last response included a link to WaPo piece that repeatedly tries to claim no muslims in patterson cheered and in general in was only small pockets in other countries. Try reading the info presented to you instead of just sticking to your talking points.
No WaPO link. But I did a WaPo link in your reply #109.
The link says: Trump says that he saw this with his own eyes on television and that it was well covered. But an extensive examination of news clips from that period turns up nothing. There were some reports of celebrations overseas, in Muslim countries, but nothing that we can find involving the Arab populations of New Jersey except for unconfirmed reports. (Some conspiracy Web sites cite a column by controversial blogger and commentator Debbie Schlussel, who is highly critical of Muslims, that makes a reference to an MTV broadcast of protests and riots in Paterson, N.J.; this claim has never been authenticated.) As the Newark Star-Ledger put it in an article on Sept. 18, 2001, “rumors of rooftop celebrations of the attack by Muslims here proved unfounded.â€
Unconfirmed reports. Unauthenticated reports. Unfounded. They never stated nothing happened. Just unconfirmed, unauthenticated and unfounded reports.
Another no cheering claim.
As to your BS. People didn’t just randomly start calling in to claim that they saw muslims cheering do you? Once again we have arrest records that confirm this... those records posted in this very thread.
It has been completely confirmed that they were cheering. You can argue a bit about numbers but as to the
” But an extensive examination of news clips from that period turns up nothing. “
Complete BS and out right lying here further proven by this
” but nothing that we can find involving the Arab populations of New Jersey except for unconfirmed reports”
Arrests were made... how is it they were unconfirmed...
Either the media was lying then, lying now or both. Either way the media is lying making their argument moot.
Suddenly these propaganda learn ethics and say “o yeah all that stuff we wrote about XYZ well that was BS and unconfirmed o and btw here 1000x more BS and unconfirmed stuff to support our agenda”.
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