Posted on 12/08/2015 7:19:59 AM PST by marktwain
Isn’t it ironic that a Messianic Jew, Nicholas Thalasinos, was one of the people killed in the terrorist attack in San Bernardino. Nicholas was a co-worker with the shooter, and had argued with him, saying that Islam is violent. Maybe that is why he was killed, to show how non-violent Islam is. He is reported to have been threatened with death just hours before the attack. The NY post is reported to be using the fact that he called Islam violent a possible reason for the attack. From facebook, Carl Ludwig:
This literally makes me sick.
Nicholas Thalasinos was a friend of mine on Facebook. He was a critique of Islam and a supporter of Israel. He was also a Messianic Jew.
The NY Post paid tribute to him by mocking him and his posts about Islam and they all but called him a hateful bigot.
No condemnation is made OF THE MUSLIMS THAT MURDERED HIM IN COLD BLOOD.
Couldn't you make a compelling case that Nicholas was right about Islam?
NY Post...go to Hell.
On his "about" page:
Studied Conservatism at Limbaugh Institute of Advanced Conservative Studies
Past: School of Hard Knocks, The University of Life
One of his facebooks friends says that he was threatened on facebook by Muslims just hours before he was killed. From Erica Karas:
(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...
Nicholas Thalasinos was born, raised and spent most of his adult life as Greek Orthodox. People have even claimed that he wasn’t even a member of the Messianic Jewish cult, but just attended one of their places of worship.
His romance with Messianics with Jewish trappings could hardly be farther from his Greek Orthodox background.
I hear you, and this is obviously Paul’s point as well, but all I am saying is that Jewishness on a human level is a matter of heredity. Much as my heritage is Greek, yet I am a Christian, so Jews who accept Christ are Jewish by heredity but are still Christians. Can’t argue with DNA.
>> His romance with Messianics with Jewish trappings could hardly be farther from his Greek Orthodox background.
Oh, really? Hellenized Judiaism exerted a huge influence on early Christian theologians. “Of inscriptions found in the Jewish catacombs in Rome, fewer than 2% are in Hebrew or Aramaic, while 74% are in Greek and the remainder in Latin”. (from “The Archaeology of the New Testament”, 1992, Finegan, Jack, Princeton University Press, p. 325.)
Remember the Septuagint?
“But not practicing one’s faith is a very different thing from taking on a different faith”
Someone who rejects the existence of God is not just “not practicing”. It is a total rejection. One cannot deny the existence of God AND still accept anything about the Jewish faith.
But at a minimum, you and I are able to discuss our beliefs. I’ve discussed beliefs with Moonies in airports, Mormons, Jews (practicing and not), atheists - and we all could DISCUSS what we believed or did not believe, and why, without any urge to gun down the other person.
That is what is unique about Islam. It accepts no possibility of discussion or thought. Only total dominance and hatred.
Heck, I’ve been to Afghanistan. The folks there hate each other, let alone ‘foreigners’...
Faith (or lack thereof) is a decision that one makes. One's genetic heritage is pretty much meaningless in matters of faith - though in Judaism for men there IS some impact, as you are an Israelite, Levy or Kohane depending upon your male lineage. But that speaks NOT AT ALL to the Jewishness of a person. My father's mother was a Levy, but he was an Israelite because of his father (and I am also an Israelite, because my father was one, and my son is because of me. But my daughter's hypothetical son could be a Kohane, if my daughter marries a Kohane and has his son). My mother's great grandfather was a Kohane, but that didn't pass to his daughter, my mother's grandmother (and her husband was an Israelite, thus making all of HIS male children Israelites). But, again, ALL of them were Jews. So was one of my aunts by marriage, who converted - without 1/10 of 1% of Jewish DNA.
"Jewishness on a human level?" What are you talking about?
FYI, I am certain that Judaism, Christianity, Islam and any other major faith that you care to name do not care about the racial/ethnic heritage of a potential convert. They all accept them, and do so gladly, without any questions as to their ethnicity. They aren't joining the Ancient Order of Hibernians, after all.
You know who cared about people's DNA as regards religion? Yeah, that's right, nutcase Adolf and the rest of his shit-fer-brains Nazis @ssholes, who believed that if even 1 out of 4 of your grandparents was a Jew (regardless of practice for many decades), then so were you. I DON'T lump you in with them at all, but perhaps you'd like to re-examine your position on this issue - those are good people to have on the OTHER side of your position on pretty much any issue.
“That is what is unique about Islam. It accepts no possibility of discussion or thought. Only total dominance and hatred.”
That is very true, as is the rest of your comment. The ability to deal with other people as they are, not as you want them to be, is a hallmark of Western thought and tolerance (and I can’t really speak to the Eastern versions of the same, but I tend to think that they are also pretty tolerant). Islam is uniquely intolerant - they are the world’s crazy uncle, but not the harmless, funny kind of crazy; nope, they’re the wild-eyed, I’ve-got-a-hatchet-and-I’m-going-to-kill-you kind of crazy. Generally speaking, you don’t let people like that into your house. Trump, at least, gets that...and Jeb thinks that he’s “unhinged.” I guess that denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
Oh, for heavens sakes, just forget it. You’re not even thinking rationally.
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