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Navy's Newest Ship, USS Milwaukee, Breaks Down at Sea (continued LCS Fail)
USNI News ^ | 12/15/15 | Garza

Posted on 12/15/2015 9:48:17 AM PST by pabianice

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To: Patton@Bastogne


That's why I always keep a "kicker" or two on board.

Here - these might do.

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21 posted on 12/15/2015 10:13:07 AM PST by golux
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To: pabianice

They don’t call them ‘Shakedown Cruises’ for nothing......................


22 posted on 12/15/2015 10:13:30 AM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: pabianice

I guess they built too much of Milwaukee into the ship.


23 posted on 12/15/2015 10:15:47 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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24 posted on 12/15/2015 10:16:36 AM PST by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: pabianice

damned Briggs and Stratton engine...


25 posted on 12/15/2015 10:17:56 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Cold Heat
In any case they really need to understand it before they proceed.o

Exactly! That is why when sea trials are run, in critical areas on the ships. There may be as many or more civilian experts on board as sailors to monitor and evaluate every event, good, bad or in between.

26 posted on 12/15/2015 10:19:27 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Obama has groomed CAIR to be THE voice of Islam in the USA as a dangerous political force in the USA)
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To: Cold Heat

There’s a reason it’s known as the “Little Crappy Ship” folks.

The people who serve aboard them want off!


27 posted on 12/15/2015 10:20:46 AM PST by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: pabianice

I worked on the LCS for about 10 years. It was designed by an ever changing committee and built by the lowest bidders. Each payload was built by numerous companies and the software and hardware has to talk to the ship, the payloads, and the different Navy networks. One change by any of them can cause major problems. The system was supposed to cost under a million a copy, but the Navy kept adding more and more to the design and the contracts kept going over budget. They’re constantly changing the design as the ships are being built.


28 posted on 12/15/2015 10:24:18 AM PST by Rhinoman (SMSgt, USAF (Ret))
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Kind of like the F-35?


29 posted on 12/15/2015 10:49:39 AM PST by MikeSteelBe (Radical Muslims want to behead you, moderateate Muslims want to watch and cheer.)
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To: Cold Heat

As I understand it the propulsion system on the LCS is comprised of 2 gas turbines and 2 Colt- Peilstick diesel engines. I assume they are all connected to the Jaccuzi drives in some fashion. I wouldn’t think all of the prime movers would share the same lube oil system for no other reason than redundancy and reliability.

So I’m wondering which lube oil system has been affected here.


30 posted on 12/15/2015 10:50:55 AM PST by technically right
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To: MikeSteelBe

“Kinda like” any DoD program...when the program implodes under the weight of the ever burgeoning requirements, the DoD walks away from these programs smelling like roses while the contractors are left figuring out how to pick up the turd the services laid.


31 posted on 12/15/2015 10:59:34 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: technically right

Yes, I wonder as well....

I have a plant maintenance background, am familiar with preventive maintenance routines and protocols..

I have seen a lot in my days, and metal shavings of either the fine goo, or the chips, in a engine/gearbox/lube system is never a good thing...But in some applications where you have clutches etc, it might be expected initially, so I just don’t know...

But I have found that sometimes the fix is as simple as a poor oil selection.


32 posted on 12/15/2015 10:59:54 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: pabianice

I wonder if anyone is considering sabatoge. All it takes is filings dropped into the filter line and panic will set in as everyone tries to explain how they got there. safety requires a shutdown until the cause is found.


33 posted on 12/15/2015 11:05:28 AM PST by egfowler3 (Vacancy)
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To: Cold Heat

True enough. I have extensive experience with steam turbines and the Colt PC series of diesel engines and proper oil selection is critical.

I don’t know how the prime movers are connected to the water jets. I would suspect the CT’s are geared to the jets so in that case the problem could be in the reduction gear lube oil assys but I can’t imagine them sharing a common lube oil system but maybe they do. That would explain a total failure of the propulsion system.


34 posted on 12/15/2015 11:07:42 AM PST by technically right
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To: Rhinoman
"The system was supposed to cost under a million per copy....."

Perhaps you may wish to restate that........

35 posted on 12/15/2015 11:09:56 AM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: technically right
That would explain a total failure of the propulsion system.

Your explanation seems most reasonable. I too can't imagine the turbines or back-up propulsion system sharing lube oil because of the vastly different operating environments.

Somewhere, there is a common denominator and that appears to be something further downstream of the power plants.

36 posted on 12/15/2015 11:42:42 AM PST by pfflier
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To: diogenes ghost

It was supposed to cost $800,000 per copy when it was initially designed about 20 years ago. It was up to 1.4 million per copy when I left the program. That’s the ship alone without any payload.


37 posted on 12/15/2015 11:43:00 AM PST by Rhinoman (SMSgt, USAF (Ret))
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To: tgusa
I'm sure the guys on an LCS call the other ships BFT's: Big F------ Targets.

"Our Friends the Saudis" are buying these ships with upgraded weapons, including wide area air defense

38 posted on 12/15/2015 11:44:09 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: Rhinoman

Oops. I stand corrected. The cost was originally 100 million per copy, not 1 million. It’s now up to over 435 million.


39 posted on 12/15/2015 11:46:06 AM PST by Rhinoman (SMSgt, USAF (Ret))
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To: Buckeye McFrog

LOL,
Oh,man . Don’t even go there!
Briggs and Fri**in’ Stratton.....AHHHH!!!!!


40 posted on 12/15/2015 11:48:39 AM PST by moose07 (DMCS (Dit Me Cong San ) - Nah. Drake's Drum is Beating strongly.)
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