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Muslims love Jesus, too: 6 things you didn't know about Jesus in Islam
Vox ^ | December 23, 2015 | Jennifer Williams

Posted on 12/23/2015 8:01:47 PM PST by EveningStar

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To: onedoug

I’m hooked on phonics........ how do you pronounce taqiyya?


81 posted on 12/24/2015 5:57:54 AM PST by mistfree (It's a very uncreative man who can't think of more than one way to spell a word.)
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To: ronnie raygun
Did jesus murder anyone? nuff sed!

Well...


3 Nephi chapters 8-9
 
When Jesus died, the inhabitants of many great cities died with him. Entire cities were sunk into the ocean, or were burned, or destroyed by earthquakes. 8:8-10, 14
 
8:8 And the city of Zarahemla did take fire.  
8:9 And the city of Moroni did sink into the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof were drowned. 
8:10 And the earth was carried up upon the city of Moronihah that in the place of the city there became a great mountain. 
8:11 And there was a great and terrible destruction in the land southward. 
8:12 But behold, there was a more great and terrible destruction in the land northward; for behold, the whole face of the land was changed, because of the tempest and the whirlwinds and the thunderings and the lightnings, and the exceedingly great quaking of the whole earth; 
8:13 And the highways were broken up, and the level roads were spoiled, and many smooth places became rough.  
8:14 And many great and notable cities were sunk, and many were burned, and many were shaken till the buildings thereof had fallen to the earth, and the inhabitants thereof were slain, and the places were left desolate. 
 
 

The voice (who finally identifies himself as Jesus Christ) speaks about burning to death, drowning, and burying alive all of the inhabitants of 16 large cities. 9:3-15
9:3 Behold, that great city Zarahemla have I burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof. 
9:4 And behold, that great city Moroni have I caused to be sunk in the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof to be drowned.  
9:5 And behold, that great city Moronihah have I covered with earth, and the inhabitants thereof, to hide their iniquities and their abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints shall not come any more unto me against them. 
9:6 And behold, the city of Gilgal have I caused to be sunk, and the inhabitants thereof to be buried up in the depths of the earth;  
9:7 Yea, and the city of Onihah and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Mocum and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Jerusalem and the inhabitants thereof; and waters have I caused to come up in the stead thereof, to hide their wickedness and abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints shall not come up any more unto me against them.  
9:8 And behold, the city of Gadiandi, and the city of Gadiomnah, and the city of Jacob, and the city of Gimgimno, all these have I  caused to be sunk, and made hills and valleys in the places thereof; and the inhabitants thereof  have I buried up in the depths of the earth, to hide their wickedness and abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints should not come up any more unto me against them.  
9:9 And behold, that great city Jacobugath, which was inhabited by the people of king Jacob, have I  caused to be burned with fire because of their sins and their wickedness, which was above all the wickedness of the whole earth, because of their secret murders and combinations; for it was they that did destroy the peace of my people and the government of the land; therefore I did cause them to be burned, to destroy them from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints should not come up unto me any more against them.  
9:10 And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof, because of their wickedness in casting out the prophets, and stoning those whom I did send to declare unto them concerning their wickedness and their abominations.  
9:11 And because they did cast them all out, that there were none righteous among them, I did send down fire and destroy them, that their wickedness and abominations might be hid from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints whom I sent among them might not cry unto me from the ground against them.  
9:12 And many great destructions have I caused to come upon this land, and upon this people, because of their wickedness and their abominations.  
9:13 O all ye that are spared because ye were more righteous than they, will ye not now return unto me, and repent of your sins, and be converted, that I may heal you? 
9:14 Yea, verily I say unto you, if ye will come unto me ye shall have eternal life. Behold, mine arm of mercy is extended towards you, and whosoever will come, him will I receive; and blessed are those who come unto me. 
9:15 Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name. 
 
 

82 posted on 12/24/2015 6:05:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RaceBannon
wait a minute, that's not what he said!

After proffing reading it one more time; I note that you are correct.

Please add this --> "AaA" <-- after the 49th character in line 12.

83 posted on 12/24/2015 6:09:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EveningStar

MORE stuff you probably do not know...


“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to AlÄ« ibn AbÄ« Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.




84 posted on 12/24/2015 6:11:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EveningStar

If all Muslims love Jesus, why must I be converted (not happening) or pay a tax and live as a second class person (not happening either).


85 posted on 12/24/2015 6:41:10 AM PST by Garvin (Scratch a liberal, get a fascist)
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To: EveningStar

And historians think the National Socialists in Hitlers’ Germany were masters of propaganda.

Whew.


86 posted on 12/24/2015 7:17:45 AM PST by JEDI4S (I don't mean to cause trouble...it just happens naturally through the Force!)
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To: EveningStar

Number 6 looks like the author of the Quran confuses Mary the mother of Jesus with Miriam the sister of Aaron and Moses. But, hey - they were only 1500 years apart, so who’s counting?


87 posted on 12/24/2015 8:36:03 AM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Exactly true. And, as Mario Joseph says, if "Isa" (Jesus) is the Word of God (which the Koran says He is) and God created all things by His all-powerful Word, that makes "Isa" (Jesus) the CREATOR. Nor a 'created' being. Not a 'creature."

Stunning.

A jaw-dropper.

God bless the Gospel Mission to the Muslim world.

88 posted on 12/24/2015 8:36:22 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("God wills that all men be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth." (1 Tim. 2:4))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Here is the word of god Sura from the Qur'an:
"Sura 4:171

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Three (Trinity)" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

In the very same lines the word of god and spirit of god are buried within things not to believe in.

I shown this to a group of Muslims they just laughed at me but would not refute it. Two people kept repeating that he was a messenger of god. Yes, I said he came down as a humbled messenger but was god himself.

89 posted on 12/24/2015 9:58:29 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
A very good observation.

The Koran is a deeply self-contradictory book, a pastiche f truth and error. He picked up lots of things in his caravan raids --- money and women and herds and fragments of the doctrines of different religions -- he picked up spiritual concepts like Velcro picks up lint.

He was no theologian. He was a religious charlatan: a warlord who knew how to use what he picked up.

90 posted on 12/24/2015 11:11:46 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("God wills that all men be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth." (1 Tim. 2:4))
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To: Iron Munro

Well, Kwanzaa is only observed by white female elementary school teachers.


91 posted on 12/26/2015 8:14:54 AM PST by T-Bone Texan (The economic collapse is imminent. Buy staple food and OTC meds now, before prices skyrocket.)
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