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(VANITY) IS ISLAM AN EXTREME OR MODERATE RELIGION?

Posted on 12/27/2015 6:14:11 PM PST by cradle of freedom

Everyone seems to be scratching their heads now trying to figure out the difference between a moderate Muslim or an extreme or radicalized Muslim because all the talking heads seem to agree that moderate Muslims are good but radical or extreme Muslims are bad. So how do we know who is a good Muslim and who is a extreme Muslim?

Let's go back to the beginning of Islam. How did Mohammed spread his teachings? He gathered a small army together and began attacking Arab tribes, one tribe at a time. When he won the battle he would force the other tribe to convert to Islam and join his army or they would be killed. If they joined they would share in the booty of conquest with Mohammed's band, if they refused they would be killed.

Mohammed eventually united all of the Arab tribes under the banner of Islam which gave him a very large army that was comparable to the armies of nations surrounding the Arabs. Then they were equals to the other nations around them.

Mohammed began attacking neighboring countries with his army. He would cross into another country with this army and wage war. Then when the time was right he would attack a second country etc.

Eventually Muslim armies controlled lands from Portugal and Morocco all the way to Indonesia. Each time he crossed into another country, it was an act of war. We call that invasion, it was not a friendly act. Mohammed did not send apostles as Jesus did--he send armies. Every invasion was an act of violence. There was nothing peaceful about it. That is how Islam began and no one can dispute that simple fact.

So do you tell a moderate Muslim from an extreme Muslim?


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To: cradle of freedom

If the civilized world is to survive, Islam must be understood for what it really is: It’s not a religion, form of government, or anything recognizable to the civilized mind. Islam is a disease, an incurable disease of the mind that is highly contagious among the feeble minded and is now spreading among the world’s feeble minded at an epidemic rate. As with any disease, one can’t reason with this disease, negotiate with it, or treat in any manner other than how one would treat any other incurable disease.

As past efforts to contain this disease have failed, carriers of this Plague of Islam must be eradicated wherever they’re found, for if they’re not, this disease will eventually end not just Western Civilization, but it will undo over 5,000 years of human civilization.


21 posted on 12/27/2015 6:40:11 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: cradle of freedom

Demonic perhaps?


22 posted on 12/27/2015 6:40:41 PM PST by x1stcav (Leftism is like rust: It corrodes 24 hours a day until eradicated.)
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To: cradle of freedom

I think the simple way to cut through all the fog of what is moderate Islam and what is radical Islam is to just tell people how Islam spread throughout the world. In these days of abysmal education we cannot count on the schools teaching the basics about the history of Islam. We have to spread the word of how Islam was spread by violence and warfare from the very days of Mohammed. There was no proselytizing, no reasoning or outreach just war and violence. Muslim armies crossing country after country killing and forcing their victims to submit.

I hope we can open the eyes of many people by pointing out these few facts about Islam. There is much naïve trust in the belief that all cultures are the same and that there are many paths that all lead to God. Please spread this around to your families and friends. Just ask if they know how Islam began and spread.


23 posted on 12/27/2015 6:45:18 PM PST by cradle of freedom
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To: cradle of freedom
I'm a ‘moderate’ member of the KKK. I don't hate blacks, I just love whites. So it's all cool, right?
24 posted on 12/27/2015 6:46:54 PM PST by NurdlyPeon (It is the nature of liberals to pervert whatever they touch.)
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To: cradle of freedom

....”IS ISLAM AN EXTREME OR MODERATE RELIGION?”....

It’s neither because it’s not a religion....It is a complete geo-political totalitarian structured system that has governmental, financial, military and legal arms that envelopes every part of it’s followers,which uses a made up deity to advance its agenda of global conquest and to keep it’s followers submissive to Islam itself......A ‘global caliphate’ is the objective with the world submissive to Sharia ‘Law’.

It’s never obedience to any Deity....it’s always obedience to ‘the Law of Islam itself’....Shariah Law.


25 posted on 12/27/2015 6:51:29 PM PST by caww
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To: cradle of freedom

Islam is a cult.... cults use a total life control system. All aspects of life are dictated and controlled by it.


26 posted on 12/27/2015 6:51:35 PM PST by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: Bob

Deserves to be repeated:

An extreme muslim wants to kill you!

A moderate muslim wants the extreme muslim to kill you!


27 posted on 12/27/2015 6:52:15 PM PST by Taxman (H. L. Mencken correctly observed: Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man.)
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To: cradle of freedom

Moderate Muslim did you say? Is that like a unicorn? A passenger pigeon? A wookie, perhaps?


28 posted on 12/27/2015 7:02:04 PM PST by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: cradle of freedom

Islam is not a religion. Calling it a religion is a convenient way to get into a discussion of America’s guaranteed freedoms.


29 posted on 12/27/2015 7:04:29 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: Karl Spooner

Allyson Camerota would have been better off remaining on her job as Howard Stern’s traffic reporter..


30 posted on 12/27/2015 7:12:24 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: cradle of freedom

There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. If the bloody religion were peaceful why would there be a need for moderation? Wouldn’t that make the argument it isn’t peaceful?


31 posted on 12/27/2015 7:21:51 PM PST by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: cradle of freedom

Just like with Christianity, there is the religion that was described in the original texts, and then there are the various ways of interpreting that text and lastly there are the various ways that people practice these texts and teachings in their daily lives.

Speaking as a Christian, I know from a life of study that the more a person internalizes the full teachings of Jesus, the more he wants to live at peace with people wherever possible. He also knows that some people do not have the spirit of peace in this age, and must be held at arms length or even destroyed to protect those who want to be peaceful.

I only know about Islam by reading the texts that those who claim that religion acclaim as being “holy”. There are far too many direct and indirect statements that direct the Muslim to “cast terror into the hearts of the unbeliever,” Sura 3:151 and “kill them wherever you find them,” Quran 2:191-193.

Then there are supporting texts, such as Sayyid Qutb’s Milestones where chapter 4 is Jihad in the Cause of Allah. Qutb was the chief ideologist for the Muslim Brotherhood.

It is clear to me that the more fervent a Muslim becomes, the more likely he will commit acts of violence in an effort to wage jihad that he may achieve a death worthy of attaining Paradise.

Only a person who is ignorant about the Bible and who has not read the Quran thinks that the deity in Islam is same as the God of Abraham and Jesus. Their methods are different, their goals are different, what they demand of their followers are different, their love is different, their relationship with women is different and their followers behave differently.


32 posted on 12/27/2015 7:23:50 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: cradle of freedom

Bad Islamists cut your head off. Moderate Islamists watch. Good Islamists try to stop the beheading.


33 posted on 12/27/2015 7:30:56 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: cradle of freedom
Don't be a sucker. Don't fall for the "Good Muslim/Bad Muslim" Mutt and Jeff routine. It's like "good cop/Bad cop." It's just a way to leverage Sharia a bit at a time, instead of all at once. If they won't renounce Sharia, IOW, the Koran, then they are a danger to civilization.

Today's "moderate" (taqiyya/deceptive) Muslim is just a stealth scout and pathfinder for the later jihad.


34 posted on 12/27/2015 7:32:28 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DJ Taylor

Kind of like zombies or vampires—they are destroyed and then they go out and destroy others.

I used the word religion because Islam is always talked about as a religion but I think disease of the mind is the best way to describe it. If we understood the danger we would not allow any contamination to come to our shores and we would not do anything to help their numbers to grow. No foreign aid, no food aid and no medical aid. Christian kindness is not going to do it, look at the Christian countries that were turned into Muslim lands where the Christian minorities are persecuted by their Muslim neighbors who are of the same blood as the Christians but whose ancestors caved into pressure to convert from the Muslims and then they become the enemy of their own countrymen. Islam turns brother against brother. It is evil.

I hope you understand why I asked the question the way I did because this is the way people talk. They always refer to Islam as a religion. We have to get them to accept the first shock of the truth of how Islam spread. Once people realize how Islam spread and they can picture it in their minds then they will not be giving Islam the benefit of the doubt and they wouldn’t be feeling this tug of guilt that maybe Islam is a good religion. People do not want to discriminate or be seen as being mean spirited, racist or unchristian. Our niceness is killing us. If you try to tell people the truth then you are the bad guy.

We have been hearing many discussions about what to do about Muslims. Many people find it shocking to think of keeping them out of our country. So the conventional wisdom has become moderate Muslims good, radical Muslims bad. But how do you know what a moderate Muslim believes? What does a radical or extremist Muslim believe?

If everybody knew that Islam was spread by invasion and warfare then they would be forced to concede that Mohammed was a violent radical and therefore there can be no moderate Islam because it’s founder was anything but moderate. People would start to come out of their confusion and they would begin to get it. Islam would be seen as a violent cult. We have to get everybody to that point then we have to convince people to reject their misguided Christianity that wants to help people in need and convinces people that their love is enough to change people’s hearts. The Christians of the Middle East did not succeed in converting the Muslim invaders through their Christian love. The Muslim invaders succeeded in dwindling down the Christian natives through their implacable cruelty over the years. Today Christians are a small and persecuted minority, we do not want that to happen to us.


35 posted on 12/27/2015 7:41:55 PM PST by cradle of freedom
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To: cradle of freedom
There was no proselytizing, no reasoning or outreach

There certainly was some of this initially first in Mecca and later after Muhammad was forced to flee to Medina. Muhammad's tactics in Medina started out as peaceful toward all factions, even extending to religious concessions made to Jews. That changed over time, though, as he thought he was being treated unfairly/not commensurate with his role as prophet.

After some time in Medina, Muhammad certainly embraced raiding commercial Meccan caravans as a means of supporting his followers and sending a message to those in Mecca who rejected him. It was the beginning of an embrace of Islamic victim-hood, the perception of righteous revenge that we still see today in Islam, the Islamic battles, and Muhammad eliminating his opponents.

36 posted on 12/27/2015 7:42:06 PM PST by FourPeas (Chocolate, sugar and lots of caffeine. Hard to beat that.)
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To: cradle of freedom

No, it’s a death cult.


37 posted on 12/27/2015 7:46:02 PM PST by matthew fuller (Americans want to win, especially after seven years of a muslim surrender monkey that hates America!)
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To: theBuckwheat

A lie travels around the world before the truth puts its pant leg on.


38 posted on 12/27/2015 7:47:00 PM PST by cradle of freedom
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To: cradle of freedom
I appreciate your effort to raise awareness of this centuries old, and continuing mortal threat, to our way of life, our Religion, and our very survival

In spite of multiculturalism and the fashion of political correctness of the day, it is well worth trying. Fleeing Mecca, after rejection of his doctrine by his own tribe, to Medina: he slowly gathered his numbers and strength into to one of the most militant and merciless movements on Earth. Every Muslim is to consider the example of Mohammad, as written in the Quran and Hadith,. to be their highest aspiration. As long as this is so their will be an endless state of war by Islam and the rest of the unbelieving world. This is what is meant by their terms: House of Islam(House of Peace) and House of War(House of Ha bar).Islam its self means "Submission". To achieve this objective they will use not only military conquest but subversion, and when necessary immigration. See Western Europe today. Where ever Sharia Law is established, it is considered by Islam to be forever Muslim. Thank you again for your effort to expose the truth. Because Muslims are permitted to lie to Infidels to advance Islam(Taqfur); this makes the job even harder. May God bless your work.

39 posted on 12/27/2015 7:51:57 PM PST by windhover
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To: windhover

Thank you.


40 posted on 12/27/2015 7:54:39 PM PST by cradle of freedom
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