Posted on 12/28/2015 12:51:45 AM PST by Olog-hai
Under a new enforcement provision passed into law earlier this month, the Internal Revenue Service can revoke passports of serious tax offenders who owe more than $50,000 to the government.
And Uncle Sam can take away your passport at any time, even when the offender is traveling outside the country. [...]
The new passport-revoking provision allows the Department of the Treasury and the IRS to authorize the State Department to take away U.S. passports from individuals with seriously delinquent debts, which the government defines as greater than $50,000, the Arizona Republic reported. ...
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
If You’re From One of These Four States, You’ll Likely Need a Passport for a Domestic Flight
http://www.travelandleisure.com/articles/drivers-licenses-new-york-domestic-flight-real-id
How long before everyone will be required to have a passport at all times for all travel within the US like the Soviet Union of yore?
Police State continues its rise
The United Nations Charter - which we signed - includes the right to freedom of travel.
“The ability for an American to leave his country is not a right? So when the government decides you can’t leave and throws you in jail, I hope you enjoy your privilege. Sicko.”
We are now a nation that locks it citizens in but allows the citizens other nations freedom of movement in and out of the country as well as guarantees the rights of citizenship to non citizens in our justice system.
Exactly what is the advantage of being a US citizen inside the country today? Even the right to vote has been corrupted.
This is Stalinist ideology. The Berlin Wall in Amerika... Welcome to the last turn in our cycle to statism...
You read it plus history. There was no such thing as a passport anywhere in the world. So let’s ADD passport to the list of things that the government should not be involved in.
Let me tell you a story.
Chickensoup had a real estate transaction
Because of that type of transaction chickensouop had an accountant do it.
The computers at the IRS did not pick up the full transaction and billed chickensoup for 200,000. after picking chickensouop up off the floor accountant contacted IRS, three times over the course of a year and a half before the error was rectified and chickensoup then received a letter saying, chickensoup, you owe zero.
Under this new law, the IRS would have banned chickensoup from traveling or overseas funerals and everything else a passport is good for. Because they made a mistake.
The IRS is turning into the primary punishment and enforcer in our country similar to other leftist, organizations in other un-free countries.
I would fight this one tooth and nail.
And you miss the point. The Constitution does not BESTOW rights, it LIMITS government. Where in the Constitution do you find the federal government mandate to ALLOW for egress based on a passport system? Travel is a fundamental right. Suppose that a future administration wants to keeps a group of freedom-seeking malcontents (like the people who started the whole thing) from leaving? All that would have to happen is an IRS rounding error, by mistake of course, to keep people from leaving. I think you need to consider where this is all going, and why it is happening NOW.
Yeah, I know all about that right to travel....I just applied for a tourist visa to Australia and paid $20AUD for them to review myself and deem me OK to travel onto their isle. There are apparently folks which aren’t deemed OK to enter Australia. Funny how that freedom to travel works.
I also paid money for another visa which allows me long-term travel in Europe, and that wasn’t a right or free either. Oh, they also reviewed my character and background, and could have denied me the freedom of travel.
The fine-print on passport applications has been around for at least thirty years (I got my first passport in the early 80s and read through the whole application). It’s clearly noted that the State Department has authority to issue a passport, and it has authority to deny a passport or revoke it. Our guy Snowden sits in Moscow today with a Russian passport, because his has been revoked...so much for a right (revoked without a conviction in court).
I would also comment that whole on the day after 9-11...every single American was deemed to stay on whatever soil they were standing on for a number of days...the President gave personal permission for non-Americans (Saudis) to board planes and leave US airspace. So much for your definition of freedom to travel.
I guess America is becoming like a giant roach motel
Anyone can come in, but they can’t leave
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That is a perfect description.
You see nothing wrong with this. I get that.
I do see, quite a lot to oppose about this. Our government is getting far to involved in this. Too big, too involved, and too worried about who is traveling.
America is to be about freedom. Both parties have lost sight of that.
Oh I agree with both parties now in a failure stage. If you went to a bar and talked directly with a hundred democrats (working, not in some lousy college or on welfare), at least a third would agree that their party has failed miserably.
Presently, until someone like Trump comes around and just says he’s going on executive action entirely and forcing both parties to review their future, I don’t see much happening. Nor do I see Trump as the best solution, but if you wanted the priority of reinventing politics....he’s the better of the choices.
When people wrote of the idea of freedom to travel....they meant primarily state-to-state or regional travel. I came across a historical piece in Hessen history where the ‘Duke’ got cornered in the 1840s and forced to compromise in state politics on the permission of an individual to resettle or go to any town within Hessen....without having to get permission. Up until that point, if you felt better employment was possible fifty miles away (in the same land or country)...you’d have to ask for permission. This was a general right that Americans viewed from 1776 on....that you could cross the line into non-colony or state, and you didn’t need to ask permission.
Oh I agree with both parties now in a failure stage. If you went to a bar and talked directly with a hundred democrats (working, not in some lousy college or on welfare), at least a third would agree that their party has failed miserably.
Presently, until someone like Trump comes around and just says he’s going on executive action entirely and forcing both parties to review their future, I don’t see much happening. Nor do I see Trump as the best solution, but if you wanted the priority of reinventing politics....he’s the better of the choices.
When people wrote of the idea of freedom to travel....they meant primarily state-to-state or regional travel. I came across a historical piece in Hessen history where the ‘Duke’ got cornered in the 1840s and forced to compromise in state politics on the permission of an individual to resettle or go to any town within Hessen....without having to get permission. Up until that point, if you felt better employment was possible fifty miles away (in the same land or country)...you’d have to ask for permission. This was a general right that Americans viewed from 1776 on....that you could cross the line into non-colony or state, and you didn’t need to ask permission.
Not sure I follow. Are you saying you have no right to come and go as you please?
“Passports are not a right....they are a privilege.”
So we’re born prisoners of the government?
From #54 comment that I made....there’s a point in Hessen history (with old, old Germany) where you absolutely did not have the right to resettle in another community (even five miles away). You had to seek permission. That irritated a number of people and by the 1840s....it was on the top ten list of things that Hessens wanted changed. So the Duke of Hessen got pressed into allowing free movement of Hessen citizens within the state itself.
There’s a lot of history that we fail to go back and grasp how things got tangled up in European affairs, and how Americans just started out with a clean slate and a certain view of travel. Our view today is based singularly upon our situation and not grasping how it really limited our ancestors who existed in European countries. Just desiring a change in your work situation and wanting to move twenty miles was a problem they faced until the law changed.
It’s all over but the shooting.
TYPO: shouting.
heheh
The Soviets did a lot of this.
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