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Pentagon's women-in-combat push faces chilly headwinds
The Hill ^ | December 30, 2015 | Rebecca Kheel

Posted on 12/30/2015 9:52:39 AM PST by jazusamo

The Pentagon faces major challenges ahead in 2016 as it works to make good on a pledge to open all U.S. military combat jobs to women.

The toughest part of the integration, which President Obama and Defense Secretary Ashton Carter have made a priority in their final year in office, will be overcoming deep-seated opposition among many male special forces commandos.

"They feel what makes them special is being all male, and somehow integrating women is going to make them less special and less adept," said Megan MacKenzie, author of "Beyond the Band of Brothers: the US Military and the Myth that Women Can't Fight."

"A lot of that is based on emotion and a lack of experience working with women."

The four services are already taking steps to allow women to serve in all jobs. Service chiefs must submit their implementation plans to Carter by Jan. 1.

Carter made history this month when he announced that all combat jobs would be open to women, with no exceptions. The decision came despite a recommendation from the Marine Corp to keep some jobs closed.

Carter acknowledged the difficulty of implementing his order when he made his announcement.

"How we implement this is key," he said. "Simply declaring all career fields open is not successful integration. We must not only continue to implement change thoughtfully but also track and monitor our progress to ensure we're doing it right.

The response to Carter's announcement on Capitol Hill was mostly positive. Still, some who praised the decision added that implementation would be crucial and focused on the need to not lower standards to get women into the newly available roles.

After Carter's announcement, Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-Texas) and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) -- the chairmen of the House and Senate Armed Services committees, respectively -- promised to use Congress's 30-day review period to thoroughly examine the studies Carter used to inform his decision.

As part of that review, Thornberry and Rep. Joe Heck (R-Nev.), chairman of the subcommittee on military personnel, sent a letter to Carter with 17 questions about his decision.

Among the questions is how the Pentagon plans to implement Carter's decision, how the services plan to maintain gender-neutral standards and whether the decision has any legal implications on women registering for the draft.

"Although the department has provided some documentation and briefed the committee, several questions remain," they wrote in the letter, which was also signed by 16 other committee Republicans. "The issue of women serving in all previously closed positions is complex and multi-faceted, and the department's decision must be carefully reviewed to evaluate its impact on military readiness."

Thornberry and Heck asked for a response by Jan. 3.

An aide for McCain said Tuesday the Senate committee's review is ongoing and that a hearing is planned for after the Senate returns from the holiday recess.

There are already indications that integration is going to be tough. A survey of special operation forces released after Carter's announcement found that opposition to opening special ops to women was "deep-seated and intensely felt."

In the survey, 85.6 percent of the 7,618 respondents said they were either strongly or somewhat opposed to opening their specialty to women. And 70.9 percent said they were strongly or somewhat opposed to opening their unit to women.

The survey, done by the RAND Corporation and commissioned by Special Operations Command, also included a series of 49 focus groups. RAND kept the participants anonymous in its report.

The focus group responses show concern about lower standards, unit morale, political motives and accusations of sexual assault, among other issues. The 292-page study includes statements of vehement opposition from across the military's branches.

"It's a slap in the face telling us that chicks can do our job," one Army Ranger said.

"It's not the physical aspect that bothers me. My issues are morale and retention. This wouldn't be special to anyone anymore."

One special operations Marine chocked the entire initiative up to Washington politics.

"This is a political thing. This is people in Congress. Because there is no grassroots movement of women saying we want to," he argued in the survey. "It's some congressmen trying to make equal rights for women. Whether anyone in this room wants to say it or not, that's what I think we all think."

But not all the responses were negative.

"I think we are selling ourselves short by not opening it up to the best individuals," a special operations Marine said. "There are some positives. In some countries, two gorilla, tattooed men would look suspicious. But me and [a woman] walking down the street holding hands would not. It opens up new possibilities."

MacKenzie, the author of a book on the role of women in the military, predicted that some of the hang-ups about adding women into special forces would fade away once women actually join. She cited the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, in which feared consequences didn't become reality, as evidence.

"Just working with women will help dispel some of those myths," she said. "They'll realize women can pull their weight; they'll realize unit cohesion doesn't fall apart and the world doesn't end when they have to have a woman in it."

Leadership will also need to set an example for those they command, MacKenzie added. In that regard, she said, Carter has already done a good job by making his announcement unequivocal.

"Just making it clear this is no longer an option," MacKenzie said of how leaders should act. "Making it clear this is no longer something the military is seeking feedback on, that this is a decision that's been made."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ashtoncarter; combat; feminism; homosexualagenda; military; obama; raymabus; women
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Megan MacKenzie is an Aussie feminist advocate that 0bama, Ray Mabus, and Ashton Carter seem have more faith in than our US Marine Corps leaders. Retired LtCol Ralph Peters should have included Carter and Mabus with 0bama when referring to him as a total p****.
1 posted on 12/30/2015 9:52:39 AM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo
It's pledge, not a law nor requirement

Kick the pentagon pussy's OUT !!

2 posted on 12/30/2015 9:55:29 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: jazusamo

Lets eliminate all gender classifications in college athletics. No more men’s and women’s basketball teams for example - just one basketball team.

After all, there’s no difference whatsoever between men and women.


3 posted on 12/30/2015 9:57:38 AM PST by lacrew
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To: jazusamo

So any commander who doesn’t pass women will be sidelined. Ensuring the standards will be lowered.


4 posted on 12/30/2015 9:58:06 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jazusamo
lack of experience working with women

Hell, you don't need experience working with them - you only need to see them in the gym, struggling with ridiculously small weights.

5 posted on 12/30/2015 9:59:13 AM PST by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: jazusamo

Its political correctness driving the push to open combat-line positions to women - not military necessity.

As usual, Obama and Carter disregard sound military advice to call in favors with feminists.

Is our country prepared to see our daughters come home in body bags?

This is where equality - the equality of death is wholly nonsensical and an insult to the intelligence.


6 posted on 12/30/2015 9:59:53 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: jazusamo
"They feel what makes them special is being all male, and somehow integrating women is going to make them less special

Careful Megan, your arse is showing.

7 posted on 12/30/2015 10:00:03 AM PST by skeeter (q)
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“”Just working with women will help dispel some of those myths,” she said.

Spoken like a true libtard. The only time i saw women do a precision commando-style raid is when my Gf and I witness them storm the Victoria’s Secret store in santa Monica during Black Friday.


8 posted on 12/30/2015 10:00:34 AM PST by max americana (fired every liberal in our company at every election cycle..and laughed at their faces (true story))
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To: jazusamo
The Marines did a lot of things with women in combat roles.

As I recall the units that they used failed 2/3's of the time.

Hell of a reason to get killed, had it been combat.

9 posted on 12/30/2015 10:00:58 AM PST by TYVets
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The toughest part . . . . will be overcoming deep-seated opposition among many male special forces commandos.

I always thought the toughest part will be having to tell a mother and father that their daughter is a POW and is being gang-raped in an enemy prison and that there's nothing we can do about it, or that she was raped and killed by enemy combatants.

10 posted on 12/30/2015 10:02:53 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: jazusamo

The average male can break the average female in half. The average very fit male can break the average very fit female in half.


11 posted on 12/30/2015 10:03:56 AM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 15 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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“They’ll realize women can pull their weight;”

A 110 pound woman? OK.
A lot of fit men weigh twice that—can women pull their weight?
It’s a categorical question: can a 110 pound woman drag an unconscious 200 pound man by his ruck strap a few feet out of harms way?
Put another away, can she sling him on her back and carry him a hundred yards?
Yes or no.


12 posted on 12/30/2015 10:04:09 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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Yup... women can’t carry a 50 lb backpack, ammo, an assault rifle weighing a few pounds and doing a hundred mile march.

Forget what you saw in G.I Jane. Women are smaller and lighter than men and have less physical strength. Amazon warriors are pure legend.

Some things are better left off to men not because of sexism but simply because men do them better. Like fighting wars.


13 posted on 12/30/2015 10:04:46 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: jazusamo

And her explanation of why there are no females on the Army, Navy and Air Force service academy foot ball squads is .............


14 posted on 12/30/2015 10:04:52 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: jimfree

ziva david.....


15 posted on 12/30/2015 10:04:55 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Agreed, you thought exactly right.


16 posted on 12/30/2015 10:05:28 AM PST by jazusamo (0bama to go 'full-Mussolini' after elections: Mark Levin....and the turkey has.)
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Pentagon's women-in-combat push faces chilly headwinds

How am I supposed to have serious thoughts after a headline like that?

17 posted on 12/30/2015 10:07:33 AM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: tumblindice

Putting women in positions that require a lot of physical strength, like firefighting and open combat positions, will simply get people killed.

Its not about plumbing, its about the qualifications to do the job. Lowering them don’t make women more competent.


18 posted on 12/30/2015 10:09:41 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: tumblindice

Only if she’s Demi Moore.


19 posted on 12/30/2015 10:09:44 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: jazusamo
A few years back I saw a documentary on Marine Recruit Training.They followed two platoons...one male and the other female...through various steps of the training.It was claimed at the outset that the men and women were doing the *exact* same things and that both were being held to the same standards.

After one particularly grueling day the interviewers visited the male recruits.It was clear from looking at them and listening to them that they were *very* tired,sore and dispirited.But each one made it clear that he could take it and intended to carry on.

They also visited the women after those very same training exercises.Several of them were weeping like little girls.

20 posted on 12/30/2015 10:11:15 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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