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Analysis of Obama's Executive Orders on guns (VCDL analysis)
Virginia Citizens Defense League VA ALERT ^ | 1-5-15 | Philip VanCleave

Posted on 01/05/2016 1:29:12 PM PST by RKBA Democrat

Before I begin my analysis, I'dlike to point out that the number the President uses for deaths caused by the use (or misuse) of a firearm includes suicides (much more than half of the total) and lawful self-defense shootings by citizens and police. Should suicide and lawful self-defense be considered “gun violence?” No.

ANALYSIS

Much of the Executive Orders (EOs) really don’t change anything, but try to put a menacing or intimidating spin on them. Others simply double-down on existing enforcement (yawn), some are bad, and one VCDL likes. Here is what they really do (or don’t do).

1. A dealer who sells guns exclusively over the internet or at gun shows is still a dealer and needs to have a license and do background checks. This is a “yawn” as it is simply restating current law and how it has always been enforced. Net effect: zero.

2. There is no specific threshold on the number of guns sold, as to what makes you a dealer. That has always been true. The BATFE takes into consideration several factors in determining if you are just a person selling a few items from your private collection or if you are trying to earn a living, or part of a living, by buying and selling guns. Here Obama tries to scare gun owners by saying that someone had been found to be in the business of selling firearms “when as few as two firearms were sold or when only one or two transactions took place, WHEN OTHER FACTORS ALSO WERE PRESENT” (emphasis mine). Here he’s obviously found some obscure cases that must have had some unusual “other factors” that made it clear the person was actually selling guns for a living, even with a small number of sales. This EO is implying that BATFE might be looking harder at people who sell guns regularly to make sure they are not really “in the business.” Other than trying to scare people by also pointing out the penalties for being in the business without a license, I don’t see this as changing the status quo on private sales at all. Net effect: zero, but meant to intimidate people into not doing any private sales.

3. Requiring everyone in an NFA trust to have a background check. This will have ZERO effect on crime, as criminals are NOT setting up trusts to buy NFA items! No one has been killed with a lawfully owned machine gun since the 1970s, when a police officer murdered his wife with one. This is simply a waste of time - doing something just to do something. Net effect: all those who are part of an NFA trust must have a background check.

4. Push for states to include more mental health data. Virginia has been doing this for a long time, predating the Virginia Tech massacre. Net effect: no effect on gun owners generally and no effect for Virginia gun owners at all.

5. More NICS employees will be hired to make NICS checks quicker and available 24/7, which is fine with VCDL as it will make it faster to buy a gun through a dealer. Net effect: positive because of quicker gun purchases.

6. Centralize tracing bullets used in crime. Net effect: zero for gun owners.

7. Step up investigating those who are illegally selling guns over the internet. Net effect: zero for gun owners.

8. Clarify that dealers are to notify the police about the loss or theft of guns. Net effect: zero for gun owners and zero for gun dealers, who already do this anyhow.

9. Direct U.S. Attorney’s Office to renew domestic violence outreach efforts. This requires coordination with state and local police on domestic violence crime. BUT it also requires coordination with “community groups focused on domestic violence.” I do not trust giving such "community groups” special treatment by the government. Net effect: no real change for gun owners.

10. Get information from the Social Security Administration on mental health issues for the purpose of disqualifying some people from owning a gun. Net effect: this is DANGEROUS, as it can strip people of their right to own a gun WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. A very tiny minority of those with mental health issues are dangerous. Just because you let someone else balance your checkbook doesn’t mean you should not be able to own a gun, but that’s what Obama is doing. Obama is casting a huge net for the purpose of catching what actually boils down to a handful of people.

11. Change HIPAA laws to allow states to share “certain” information from a person’s health records. Net effect: this is DANGEROUS, as it can strip people of the right to own a gun WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. No cookie cutter, bureaucratically controlled, examination of a person’s medical records should be used to strip someone of any of their rights without DUE PROCESS!

12. Encourage the development of “smart guns.” If there is a market for “smart guns,” they will be developed with or without government help. Hint: if police, government agencies like the Secret Service, or the military don’t want smart guns, then they probably are not going to be successful. Net effect: none for gun owners, just government wasting more tax dollars on another boondoggle.

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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment; vcdl
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1 posted on 01/05/2016 1:29:12 PM PST by RKBA Democrat
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To: RKBA Democrat

Trump thanks you Obozo for setting the ball on the T.

Pray America wakes


2 posted on 01/05/2016 1:31:21 PM PST by bray (Trump/Cruz 2016)
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To: RKBA Democrat

How about hiring more ATF examiners so that one is not forced to wait 6-12 months for your tax stamp that allows you to take possession of your suppressor, SBR, SBS, DD or machine gun that was paid for in full at the beginning of the process. Imagine the outrage if purchasers of any other item were required to do the same, especially one that is supposed to be Constitutionally protected.


3 posted on 01/05/2016 1:38:36 PM PST by allblues (God is neither a Republican nor a Democrat but Satan is definitely a Democrat)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I’ll ask for the umpteenth time, are these ‘Executive Orders’ or ‘Executive Actions’?? I’m hearing them described in both terms. To my understanding; Executive orders are those dictatorial fiats from the White House that contain an origin, at least as regarded by the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), founded in law.

Executive actions are the term-two preferences of President Obama and constitute dictatorial fiats that are not constitutionally based, not legal, not supported by the OLC, and will not eventually hold up under legal challenge. The key word is eventually.


4 posted on 01/05/2016 1:38:47 PM PST by yadent
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To: RKBA Democrat
This corresponds with my analysis.
5 posted on 01/05/2016 1:39:06 PM PST by Lazamataz (If the Oregon occupiers are occupying a National Wildlife REFUGE, are they not now REFUGEES?)
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To: RKBA Democrat

1. HIPAA does not protect your personal health information from being gang-raped by 8000+ different Healthcare entities.
Sharing Your patient Healthcare records is a 2 Billion dollar a year business.
Data brokers share every detail about patients without rigorous measures to ensure patient data identity anonymization.

See Harvard’s: thedatamap.org for details.

2. Obola signed an Exec Order in Sept 2015 to create an interagency Behavioral Database of all citizens.
(To better serve us, of course).

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/09/15/executive-order-using-behavioral-science-insights-better-serve-american

3. All Internet service providers, cellphone companies, Silicon valley app corporations provide user records to federal government law enforcement, security intelligence agencies.

FReepers will be in good company on the flashbang SWAT RED list ;n)


6 posted on 01/05/2016 1:41:51 PM PST by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: RKBA Democrat

History does repeat itself....Germany in the early 30s.


7 posted on 01/05/2016 1:45:04 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: RKBA Democrat

a clarification on #1.

It’s already the law without goofy’s EO.
for private gun sales online, a licensed dealer must be the middle man.

if you want to buy a gun, you have to clear it through a local gun shop dealer and have them fax a copy of their license to the seller


8 posted on 01/05/2016 1:46:29 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: RKBA Democrat

So will any lawmaker tell the republic to ignore 0muzlim and don’t tell your doctor if you own a gun when he/she asks you? Will some doctors be brave and ignore dear leader?

What happens to us Freepers when we refuse?


9 posted on 01/05/2016 1:47:45 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Freedom is costly; but Marxism takes all.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

New ATF guidance on gun sales is legally meaningless (or else it would be unlawful)


10 posted on 01/05/2016 1:47:50 PM PST by Bratch
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To: RKBA Democrat

“Here Obama tries to scare gun owners by saying that someone had been found to be in the business of selling firearms “when as few as two firearms were sold or when only one or two transactions took place, WHEN OTHER FACTORS ALSO WERE PRESENT” (emphasis mine).”

Orwell wrote that a sure sign of a totalitarian government was one that made laws that were impossible, or nearly impossible to obey.
In his book `Nineteen Eighty-four.’ Oceania simply did away with all laws and tossed citizens in jail if, say, they showed the wrong facial expression, suffered facial tics, excessive frowning, etc.: `facecrime’.


11 posted on 01/05/2016 1:51:12 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: stylin19a

Not for face-to-face local sales within your state.


12 posted on 01/05/2016 1:52:58 PM PST by Lazamataz (If the Oregon occupiers are occupying a National Wildlife REFUGE, are they not now REFUGEES?)
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To: RKBA Democrat

NSA data has all our posts and emails and any opinion on any blogs. Basically these dictates essentially give the executive branch the ability to label you a terrorist or mentally unstable per their definition...Orwell has arrived in full.they have indeed once again a dictate that bypasses due process and you are guilty without trial.


13 posted on 01/05/2016 1:55:55 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Freedom is costly; but Marxism takes all.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Thanks for posting this article, ‘Bro VCDL’


14 posted on 01/05/2016 1:57:49 PM PST by xrmusn ((6/98) Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advice!!!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

What this is is a bunch of noise, drama, and attention being directed at the 2nd amendment. What 0bama is doing is “everything within his power” to stop the next San Bernardino.

Except it will do nothing to stop terrorists or thugs.

So, when (not if) the next San Bernardino (or Ft hood, or Beltway Sniper, etc.) occurs, he will demand, DEMAND I tell you, Congress to “put a law on my desk” (text supplied by Zero, himself) so gunz can be locked away and we all live safe and sound.......


15 posted on 01/05/2016 2:01:54 PM PST by wrench
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To: RKBA Democrat

Now, if Obama could do something about Jamal selling stolen guns out of the trunk of his car parked behind Wal-Mart, we might then be able to do something about eliminating gun crime in this country.


16 posted on 01/05/2016 2:09:16 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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Doctors can report some mentally ill patients to FBI under new gun control rule
Politico ^ | January 4th, 2016 | By David Pittman
"Current law allows HIPAA exclusions for law enforcement purposes, but it's a broad exclusion."

There it is: the secret, untouchable, arbitrary reporting and database system, and many doctors now lean to the social and fiscal left. They continue to deny one large sub-population group at a time without due process, right under your noses. ...reminiscent of an earlier successful push of theirs under the VAWA.


17 posted on 01/05/2016 2:13:55 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in "Idiocracy," example of today's politico.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

JUST SAY NO!


18 posted on 01/05/2016 2:17:47 PM PST by Renegade
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To: DJ Taylor

He didn’t do anything to stop the gvmt from illegaly selling full auto weapons in Mexico so he could create a situation to ban AR’s again


19 posted on 01/05/2016 2:20:33 PM PST by Renegade
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To: MarchonDC09122009

The HIPPAA data sharing is going to the feds/DOJ, not other healthcare agencies.

Social security has no business infringing people’s God-given rights; its charter is to handle the money paid into the account....
SSAN stands for Social Security Account Number.


20 posted on 01/05/2016 2:25:35 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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