I saw this tonight and was reminded of this conversation:
Posted on 01/21/2016 2:17:48 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
This was the gay hoteliers in NYC. Cruz said one was a good guy or something. It was a big fundraiser back in April 2015.
http://www.out.com/news-opinion/2015/4/23/gay-hoteliers-new-york-play-host-ted-cruz
I don’t know. Can you tell of an industry not run under government enforced rules? There has been a recent mandate to kill much of the coal industry. I think I was mandated to pay 35 grand in federal taxes last year. Who makes the biggest profit off of every gallon of gasoline you buy? Mandates are everywhere.
Bullshit. Taxes are everywhere, mandates, not as much. No one requires the US population to consume a given amount of gasoline every year. Or a given amount of beef or chicken, or lamb chops. No mandates for paper clip consumption, or, for that matter, paper consumption. The RFS mandate, on the other hand, is top-down, command economy socialist planning, and to support it is to be worse than a liberal, to support it is to be a totalitarian.
No one is forcing you to buy it. It ain’t obamacare. Get over it. We have 50 million people on food stamps with a mandate in place to provide full living expenses—this you are forced to support, if you have a job. The cost is about half a billion a day for the stamps alone. They vote for the RATS with your taxes. Stop lying that you are forced to buy gasoline.
I live in a semi-rural area. I most certainly must obtain gasoline, or I cannot leave my house using one of my cars. This is further exacerbated by the fact that i am disabled, and cannot travel by foot more than 100 ft. Which wouldn’t get me to my mailbox, at the edge of my property.
If i had no car, I could not get to my thrice-weekly treatments. Without my treatments, I would die. I am forced to buy ethanol because gas stations near to me only sell gasoline with the forced ethanol.
What’s wrong with you that you think you should have the power to force the US population to buy your crap?
If folks want to buy ethanol, let them! If not, tough.
If you can’t sell it without a mandate, you’re a crony capitalist, which is to say, a socialist, who lives on the economic rents squeezed out of the rest of us. You don’t belong here, your home is DU, or Kos, or the Huffington Post.
I can see why you support trump, a very successful crony capitalist.
Not a yuge Trump fan, but comparing tax breaks to subsidies is disingenuous at best.
That said, this issue raises my hackles and exposes the conservative / populist divide. I don’t suppose it will slow his run, but conservatives should ask themselves some hard questions.
Is there any major difference between ethanol subsidies and Solyndra, except big corn has been successfully stealing for decades and that solar power fraud never ruined anyone’s engine?
All capitalism is crony. The left created that moniker as a pejorative term for capitalism, but the fact remains, all capitalism is crony in this country or it dies. There is a station 15 miles from my rural location that sells ETOh free gas, but it is expensive. If demand were greatererhaps it would get cheaper. I do sympathize with your misfortunes. ETOH mixed with petroleum is the least of our worries. A Marxist Muslim sits in the white hut.
All capitalism is NOT crony capitalism. Only a communist would say that.
In the most microscopic way, you’re right, ethanol polluting our gasoline is not the largest problem we face. But the attitude of those who support it is. It is little different than the crony capitalist kenyan anti-christ in the White House.
Crony capitalism is a term invented by the communist.
How do you feel about subsidies for the oil industry? Look, I am not your enemy, ok. What I resent is being forced under threat of gunfire to pay half my income in taxes and 35,000 in federal income tax alone. I tire of being ripped off while 49% pay no federal income tax and receive most of the benefits. If I somehow get to retain a bit more of the fruits from my hard work, I will accept it and support it. I do farm but I rent most of my property. Farming is my second job. I have raised food most of my life for ungrateful people who now bitch constantly about modern agriculture.
“Not a yuge Trump fan, but comparing tax breaks to subsidies is disingenuous at best.
That said, this issue raises my hackles and exposes the conservative / populist divide. I don’t suppose it will slow his run, but conservatives should ask themselves some hard questions.
Is there any major difference between ethanol subsidies and Solyndra, except big corn has been successfully stealing for decades and that solar power fraud never ruined anyone’s engine?’
I am referencing the issue of government MANDATING the use of a terrible product like ethanol. The government is forcing a market for a product that would fail in the marketplace if not for the government mandates.
Trump supports expanding government mandates, he doesn’t get it.
Yes, you are the Enemy.
It is ironic that you whine about folks on welfare stealing your tax dollars while you indirectly expose that you are stealing my money at the gasoline pump everytime I fill up and am forced to buy your damned product that I DON’T WANT.
There is little practical difference between ethanol and obamacare.
You are the same as the kenyan anti-christ.
I don’t begrudge the infirm assistance. I refer only to the able bodied.
How is the loss of half my income stealing from you? Can you cast aside the emotion and prove to me with figures that I am stealing from you? Look, we all have outr problems, not just you. My youngest child has been disabled from birth. He is now 27 and lives a hard life, but he complains little.
Read what I wrote. Your being taxed half your income is theft to YOU.
But those who profit from the RFS mandate steal from me. I don’t want their crap in my gasoline.
If it’s such great stuff, people will buy it willingly. In a free society, a mandate is unneeded and immoral.
I think my tax burden far exceeds your cost of gas. What do you propose to replace ETOH? Do we go back to leaded gas and spread Pb throughout the atmosphere?
I saw this tonight and was reminded of this conversation:
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