Don’t Write Off Ted Cruz Because You Don’t Like Him

The Federalist ^ | January 29, 2016 | Georgi Boorman

[JediJones]

Only if Trump is elected. He’s the only GOP candidate who supports Obama’s opening relations with Cuba.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/politics/donald-trump-cuba-diplomatic-opening/

[anton]

Well, maybe God will vote for Cruz but for the rest of us, I’d like to know ahead of time if Sonia Sotomayor and Biddy Ginzburg and a few others will think he is eligible.

[JediJones]

McCain was sued over the same thing and it went nowhere, as it would with Cruz. It would never need to go to the Supreme Court.

[WhiskeyX]

“On what you sent, Can you please interpret this as to Ted’s situation?”

“66 Stat. Public Law 414 - June 27, 1952. TITLE III - NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION. Chapter 1 - Nationality at Birth and by Collective Naturalization. NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH. Sec. 301. (a)”

The above is the title for the part of the Public Law applicable to Ted Cruz in the U.S. Naturalization Act of 1952, which presumably is the statute applicable when he was born in 1970.

“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth; . . . (7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions”

Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada on 22 December 1970. His Canadian birth and Canadian citizenship establish that he was “a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions”

“of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States”

Rafael Cruz, the father of Ted Cruz was a Cuban and/or a Canadian citizen when Ted Cruz was born, which means he fits the description of “one of whom is an alien”.

Eleanor Cruz, the mother of Ted Cruz, is alleged to have retained her status as a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth. Her prior residence in Great Britain and in Canada leaves an open question about whether or not she could have acquired dual citizenship.

“who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at lest five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:”

Eleanor, his mother, appears to have met the requirements for residency.

Given the fact Ted Cruz was born abroad and could acquire U.S. citizenship only by the authority of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, he acquired U.S. citizenship by naturalization at birth, is a naturalized U.S. citizen, and is not an eligible to the Office of the President as a natural born citizen.

[WhiskeyX]

“Wrong. The accepted definition of natural-born citizen at the time of the Constitution being written included someone born to citizen parents while outside of the country.”

Those are more lies. The Supreme Court of the United States said:

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S.Ct. 456, 42 L.Ed. said “A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized....”

[anton]

The devil is in the details my layman friend:

“But lawyers for the GOP and McCain wrote Thursday that Robinson lacks standing to sue and is asking the courts to tread where the Constitution forbids.

Robinson hasn’t shown McCain’s candidacy causes him any harm, they said: He’s neither a presidential candidate himself nor authorized to sue on behalf of his party or party nominee Alan Keyes, and stripping McCain from the ballot won’t much improve the party’s or Keyes’ chances of winning.

The lawyers’ brief doesn’t discuss McCain’s citizenship status. “

This case was decided on standing to bring the lawsuit not McKook’s citizenship.

[samtheman]

I understand folks are desperate for a Conservative POTUS to repair all the damage inflicted by Barry Soetoro.
But the ends never justify the means.
Cruz has proffered one piece of ID, a Canada birth certificate, to support his claim to US Citizenship(???)
Really!
Have we seen any US documents concerning Cruz? Why is no one pressing the question?

Would folks be okay if a Saudi Prince launched a run for POTUS, and just laughed off speculation he was not a US Natural Born Citizen?

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I like Cruz more after the last debate than before it. Despite the crack whore admitting he was right AFTER the debate, that video hit piece was a horrible piece of yellow journalism, that I am sure the crack whore was in on.

But the facts remain as you just stated them. This issue is NOT going away, no matter how many 10000-word posts in FR *prove* Cruz is NBC.

We have to win in November. We cannot do that with a birther cloud hanging over our candidate. Period.

[anton]

Oooh! Worse than I thought.

Here was the final order:

” . . . Arguments concerning qualifications or lack thereof can be laid before the voting public before the election and, once the election is over, can be raised as objection sas the electoral votes are counted in Congress. The members of the Senate and the House of Representatives are well qualified to adjudicate any objections to ballots for allegedly unqualified candidates. . . “

[wintertime]

The questionable natural born citizenship of Cruz bothers me. If he can't be president, then he can't be vice president.

This issue is not going away. The Democrats **will** make it an issue at a time when it **will** cause the most damage. Bet on it.

[WhiskeyX]

“McCain was sued over the same thing and it went nowhere, as it would with Cruz. It would never need to go to the Supreme Court.”

Which is why we need to prosecute people like them and yourself for such acts of subversion of the Constitution and the rule of law to impress upon you how such criminal conduct will not be tolerated with impunity. McCain and the RNC cut a deal with Obama and the DNC to suppress the complaints, because they were both ineligible and both are in the habit of violating that law and have much to hide.

[Fiji Hill]

Actually, Ted Cruz did keep his Canadian birth and his Canadian citizenship a secret. During his election campaign to become a Senator, his campaign literature made a special point of omitting his place of birth in Canada and the fact he was still a Canadian citizen. When some of the more enterprising reporters who were aware of rumors of his Canadian birth tried to ask him why the information was not included in his biography, he refused to cooperate in answering the reporters’ questions about his Canadian birth and citizenship. So, Ted Cruz knowingly withheld the information about his Canadian birth and citizenship from the voters, and that was a big deal. In fact, he would not have been elected to serve as a Senator form Texas, and he would not now be a candidate in the Presidential election.

He may not have emphasized it, but I'm sure that information was public.

So if Cruz fails to win the nomination and runs for re-election in 2018, I take it you will be contributing to his Republican primary opponent and then if he wins, his Democratic opponent.

[doldrumsforgop]

I understand.

What I do not understand is your original comments to me that seemed to imply that a naturalized citizen is the same as a natural born citizen.

What you sent me says otherwise.

Is this a contradiction?

[WhiskeyX]

“What I do not understand is your original comments to me that seemed to imply that a naturalized citizen is the same as a natural born citizen.”

No, not at all. Somehow you’ve misunderstood. The two forms of citizenship are diametrically opposed to each other. Natural born citizenship requires undivided allegiance and obedience to only one sovereign who is the sovereign in the jurisdiction where the person is born. Naturalized citizenship is required to take a person who is born with or afterwards acquires a duty of allegiance to a foreign sovereign and then confer upon them a divide allegiance of statutory citizenship which confers upon them some of the duties, obligations, and protections of domestic citizenship upon adopting allegiance to the domestic sovereign.

“What you sent me says otherwise.”

I don’t see how it could do so.

[rdb3]

Is the author admitting Cruz is nasty?

I don't know. Is he?

Jesus Christ: You can't impeach Him and He ain't gonna resign.

[doldrumsforgop]

Afraid I did misunderstood. I see where you are coming from now. Thx for clarification. What I see now is whether his situation could be interpreted as being natural born or not.

I remain unsure whether your interpretation is the correct one for that.