Posted on 02/05/2016 6:38:54 AM PST by raptor22
My guess is they will dodge it if at all possible.
.. and TRUMP does not exaggerate.
Funny how the constitution says only a NBC can be president, but earlier it gives the power to decide who is and who is not natural born or not to the congress. Hence the natrilization laws, where congress made the determination.
No. Congress does not have the authority to decide who is or isn’t an NBC. Naturalization laws only make naturalized citizens.
Proclamation Conferring Honorary U.S. Citizenship on Sir Winston Churchill
delivered 9 April 1963, Rose Garden, The White House, Washington, D.C.
Why is this mentioned? Well, Sir Winston Churchill’s Mother was 100% American. Yet, he was born in the UK. Sound familiar.. And yet, the US Gov’t and Pres. JF Kennedy decided it would be a GREAT Honor to grant “Honorary†citizenship to him....... Get that, HONORARY! However, I’ll top this Cruz and offer Bibi Netanyahu.
Cheltenham High School, In Pa. Abington Township , Pa. Bibi grew up in the US. So, others can play the NBC game too is all I suggest!
Yep. SCOTUS will continue to evade the question.
Of course, it’s obvious that Cruz is NBC.
Just read through any of the dozens of threads which address the topic. In every one, you will see that FReepers come to an agreement after some spirited but rational and thoughtful debate. /s
The article is about a third of the way down the page.
Blame the victim.
I can’t, however, it is the 800 lb. gorilla in the room that will remain until answered; fair, accurate, or not.
Plus, Cruz’s case is much different than McCain’s case. Much weaker that is.
Snort, Cruz the Canadian and Obama the Kenyan are constitutional scholars. I'd trust my US born dog's interpretation of the US Constitution over either of them.
Yes, the Dems will sue. Hillary will have standing if Cruz is the nominee. She'll wait until the last minute before she plays the "standing" card and tie up the vote for so long that the Kenyan will get his 10 years he once said he'd have. The Supremes will eventually declare the Canadian ineligible and crown Her Royal Hineyness at which time she'll appoint the Kenyan to SCOTUS. Don't forget, she and the Kenyan were 2 of the 6 member committee for SR511 (McCain's NBC vetting) and agreed in voice and writing that NBC equaled born on US soil and of two US citizen parents. Guaranteed 2016 has been in the works since 2008.
There was no dual citizenship in the United States at the time and Horary Citizenship grants no rights of citizenship.
A Natural Born citizen can not be created by an act of naturalization. Congress has the authority to naturalize. Any person so naturalized by congress is immediately not a natural born citizen and, thereby, ineligible to be POTUS. A natural born citizen is created by nature. Nature has determined that Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen of Canada. Congress determined that he is a naturalized citizen of the United States.
I hoped Cruz could resolve this too. All he does is make jokes.
I tried to vindicate him myself but came to the opposite conclusion even though it became clear that the courts would ‘gavel jockey’ on his bahalf due to fake 14 Amendment penumbras [or ‘fumes of interpretation’ if you want to think in terms of gasoline.]
14th Amendment does nothing to redefine natural born status ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3384380/posts?page=68#68
More thorough vetting in followup to this lengthy defense ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3386507/posts?page=125#125
Quick Notes on Eligibility
[I’m no lawyer, but even lawyers have trouble with this — it’s a specialty topic.]
Two Ways of Looking at This
One Way: Original intent. No matter what original intent you look at, Cruz is not eligible.
— Some say ‘must have mother and father — US citizens when overseas.
— Some say ‘must at least have US father when overseas’
— Some insist you must be born in the US.
Nope - no naturalization process was need for TC to be a citizen = NBC.
Yes, although there is a good argument that the loser below can appeal directly to SCOTUS from an adverse ruling in the District Court, bypassing the Circuit Court of Appeals. SCOTUS jurisdiction is set out in the constitution, and nearly all constitutional questions are taken purely on volition of SCOTUS, as the loser below can exercise his right to appeal in a Circuit Court.
See Wikipedia on Obama eligibility cases, in particular the part referring to the Berg v. Obama case.
My concern as well.
Besides, no matter what the courts say, Obama’s questionable NB status already proves that court rulings never end the controversy.
Imagine the alphabet channels interviewing Professor Tribe week-after-week and then Professor ‘Also-Me’.
People love the Constitution so much that they scream bloody murder over ‘privacy rights’ for muslims and mosques. Half the nation could be killed overnight by WMDs, but so what? ‘We stand by the Constitution.’ They don’t even support a constitutional amendment to correct that danger. The Constitution is that sacred to many people.
To think they would ignore constitutional arguments to support Cruz? Not rational.
I would vote for Cruz in the General Election even though I know he’s ineligible. But I’m a patriot first. Many people are not.
It is the very essence of the condition of a natural born citizen, of one who is a member of the state by birth within and under it, that his rights are not derived from the mere will of the state.
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