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To: Reaper19
He wants them all back and he wants it done quickly.

That's a lie. This keeps getting posted. How about changing to championing Cruz's positions? Can't do it can you.

Let's investigate: Cruz wants the Romney plan of self deportation (that's GOPe speak for ain't gonna do it). Not only that, Cruz only wants to deport criminals (that's GOPe speak for slow down and we might get rid of a few).

But what's worse, is Cruz - try denying it - will not deport the deadbeat illegals living off welfare, public housing, food stamps etc in the sanctuary cities.

Why? Oh why are you being a nitpicking shill for Cruz against Trump when Cruz's plan is pure GOPe and so pathetic.

71 posted on 02/10/2016 12:59:24 PM PST by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: Lagmeister

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/gops-donald-trump-revives-decade-old-immigration-plan-n401306

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/07/27/trump-id-expedite-legal-immigration-process-for-good-illegals-after-getting-them-out/

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/07/29/trump-move-non-criminal-illegals-back-in-legally-ill-do-something-with-dreamers/

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/politics/donald-trump-immigration-plan-healthcare-flip-flop/

There’s a few links, some with video. He wants the good illegals to come back quickly and in the case of DREAMers he’ll do something else. He says nothing about those waiting in line, not an expedited way IN, an expedited way BACK IN. This isn’t nitpciking, this is Trump’s plan. He wants to spend a pile of money to end up basically where we’re at right now.

I agree that self deportation is unrealistic. I want to end catch and release and expedite deportation hearings. Instead of a wall or along with a wall I’d like to see the national guard patrol the border, augmenting the border patrol. I want severe punishment for those who hire illegals, and incentives for hiring the unemployed. I want those kicked out to get the the back of the line, or even better, never be allowed into the US ever again.

I don’t think Cruz’s plan goes far enough, but I’ll take it over letting the majority of illegals back in legally any day.


93 posted on 02/10/2016 1:24:09 PM PST by Reaper19
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To: Lagmeister; Reaper19

I am a Cruz supporter I will start there.

Trump fired up the immigration debate by talking about the wall. No one can deny that it probably would have been a secondary issue, after the economy if he had not done so.

Let’s be completely honest:

Trump and Cruz both have come a long way to the right from where they both started, before the campaigns, not all that long ago.

Trump once said that Romney’s self deportation was cruel, and Cruz said once that there should be a way to legalization (but mot citizenship) after a long (25 year?) waiting period. I think if that happened, citizenship would be lobbied for buy the Dems and the Cheap Labor crowd. Not a great idea.

Trump and his son have both publicly stated during this campaign that they would expedite the return of the good ones after deportation. That could start a hailstorm of good ones entering the country, knowing they will be expedited back legally, a shortcut. Not a great idea.

Cruz has been slammed for his H1B policy of the past, which was not a great idea. Now he has agreed to stop the practice, due to its abuses, until things have been sorted out. Cruz has also said that if illegal, no citizenship ever.

Trump said ban Muslims until we sort this thing out. Cruz said ban people coming from terrorist controlled nations, until we can sort this thing out. Both will be difficult to enforce. People will say they are not Muslim, or come in from non-terrorist controlled countries, and still have the capacity to do harm. Good ideas, not perfect.

Both men have come farther right, more conservative on immigration over time.

Neither have 100% perfect solutions, and both had to travel a ways to get here, but both are a lot better on this subject than anyone else running for President, and pretty close to one another, when you get down to it.

If this is the number one issue, both are very strong here. Not much difference between the 2 in their current positions.

Having stated that they are both strong on immigration why I like Cruz as my number one pick is for the more for some the other conservative principles.

Smaller government, fighting federal government power and overreach,devolving power back to the states via 10th amendment, strong 2nd amendment rights, individual liberty, including religious liberty, taking down federal regulations and subsidies (like ethanol) to allow more competitive situations, anti-abortion, the constitution as the framework, etc.

Not slamming Trump, I like him, just stating why I like Cruz a bit better.


110 posted on 02/10/2016 2:24:59 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.)
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To: Lagmeister
Then why did Cruz fight so hard to stop the gang of 8 bill in the senate if it's just what he wanted? Any president who would enforce the laws on the books as they written would be a vast improvement over the situation Obummer has put us in.
117 posted on 02/10/2016 4:50:51 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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