Posted on 02/12/2016 9:39:39 AM PST by pinochet
“”Corporatism” (aka Crony Capitalism) is a variation of Marxism where the government controls the economy while the means of production and delivery remains in private hands.”
Actually, that’s called fascism. Just because some folks are trying to rebrand “fascism” as “corporatism” (and it is communists doing the rebranding) doesn’t magically make all corporations fascist. You’ve simply fallen for the propaganda.
No, elected officials, appointed officials, and government employees took care of that job with great zeal.
If the person is uncomfortable, they aren’t a Conservative.
No, corporatism is fascism. I get the terms.
The problem is that corporatism is being misportrayed as free market capitalism. Like the propaganda about Obamacare (classic corporatism/fascism) being a market-based center-right solution.
>>Sutton did some fine work as a historian, but he eventually got carried away into thinking that conspiracies were the driving force of history.
You are thinking of Sutton’s scholarly and amply footnoted “Wall St. and the Rise of Hitler?” Show me where he gets his facts wrong. You ever hear of the CFR, the 40 Committee, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderburg Conference, the Davos Forum, the Mt. Pelerin Society, the Club of Rome, The Coefficients Club, the Round Table, Chatham House, the Clivedon Set, the Rhodes Trust, ...?
“The problem is that corporatism is being misportrayed as free market capitalism.”
Actually the communists have been portraying capitalism as corporatism, especially since the whole “Occupy” movement. It’s their strategy to convince Americans to abandon capitalism in favor of communism, and it is working pretty well, if even FReepers are falling for it.
This is nothing new, except that commies used to call capitalists “fascists” instead of “corporatists”. Same old tricks, new lingo.
Armand Hammer was supposedly a major facilitator of the sale of confiscated precious jewels, Faberge objects and similar items on behalf of Lenin. Hammer got a commission but the bulk of the money went back to Lenin to keep the revolution going and help the new Soviet Union financially.
Correct. I tend to be precise as possible (but often imperfect) in my language. I’m a free market capitalist. Everything else is just a form of authoritarian economic oppression.
Watching how SOME of America’s global corporations act today, I would say most are a disloyal detriment to the country, politically, socially and economically. Some of these Marxist/fascist CEO’s need a good kicking in the teeth. There are more of us than there are of them and they should try and stay on our good side instead of kicking us around like serfs.
I am not anti-capitalism. I am anti global fascism.
I grant that the world is awash in competing conspiracies, plots, and secret dealings, most of which are poorly recorded and dimly understood by history. Yet they are rarely an independent motive force and commonly act as arrangers and artificers at the margins of great events and large forces. American corporations simply did not -- and could not -- create communism and install it in power in Russia.
Moreover, in politics, conspiracy mongering tends to produce a toxic environment in which the focus is on personalities instead of policy issues. Indeed, in the practical politics of campaigns and elections, conspiracy minded types tend to be time wasting nuisances.
My point is that conspiracy mongers are on to something and we need to investigate openly and above board to understand the control lines and policy impacts that these globalist Bilderburger type cabals create and enforce. Why do they meet? Why are their meetings highly secretive with insane amounts of security? Who was the “Liberal Eastern Establishment” that the John Birch Society preached against almost as much as they preached against communism? For years J. Edgar Hoover refused to acknowledge that such a thing as the Italian Mafia existed. That sort of blindness and dark operations is what I’m talking about.
No, I am referring to Sutton’s book arguing that Yale’s Skull and Bones society more or less ran the US government and to his writings asserting that in the 70s and 80s, US bankers and businessmen deliberately boosted the Soviet economy and military strength.
I grant that the world is awash in competing conspiracies, plots, and secret dealings, most of which are poorly recorded and dimly understood by history. Yet they are rarely an independent motive force and commonly act as arrangers and artificers at the margins of great events and large forces. American corporations simply did not — and could not — create communism and install it in power in Russia.
Moreover, in politics, conspiracy mongering tends to produce a toxic environment in which the focus is on personalities instead of policy issues. Indeed, in the practical politics of campaigns and elections, conspiracy minded types tend to be time wasting nuisances.
Just what conspiracy is it that you think secretly runs the world? The Bilderbergers? The CFR? The Trilateral Commission? Or maybe it is Skull and Bones? Or all or some combination of them or others working together?
And how has the master conspiracy outlived its original members and fended off internal divisions and adversaries and rivals over the years? How has it prevented persuasive testimony and other evidence from coming to light?
Moreover, what proof are you looking for? Gobs of security when important, wealthy, and prominent people gather together does not amount to proof because such security can be found at the Superbowl or the Masters and in any major capital city. Neither are wild, unsupported allegations proof. In my experience, such claims are an invitation to waste time and to lose focus on concrete issues.
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