Posted on 02/12/2016 9:39:39 AM PST by pinochet
There are some undeniable facts about America's history with communism that make many "mainstream" conservatives uncomfortable. These troubling facts fall into a category that I call "Facts About Communism that Your Favorite Conservative Columnist Did not Tell You About".
1. Karl Marx was the European correspondent for America's largest circulation newspaper, "The New York Daily Tribune", from 1852 to 1863. The paper was the New York Times of its day, and the paper carried Marx's articles for an amazing 11 years, which was long enough for his ideas to gain influence. Marx's articles were very popular among liberal elites in New York and other parts of America. It goes without saying that his articles covered events in European history with a Marxist bias, and a large segment of the American elite saw European history from a Marxist perspective without being aware of Marx's ideological biases.
2. In the late 1800s, Karl Marx had more followers in America than he had in Russia, because Tsarist Russia practiced censorship which limited access to Marx's writings.
3. At the time that the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution began, Leon Trotsky, the founder of the Red Army, was living in New York City at the invitation of his large number of American supporters. Trosky's residential address was: 1522 Vyse Avenue in The Bronx. Trotsky wrote articles for two major publications while he was in New York.
4. One of the senior Tsarist Generals who fought against the Bolsheviks, Arsene de Goulevitch, wrote a book saying that wealthy banks from Wall Street financed the Communist Revolution in Russia.
5. From the very beginning, the Soviet Union was supported by massive transfers of technology from major American corporations such as Ford Motor company, etc.
6. From 1921-1930, a prominent and respected American industrialist, Armand Hammer, lived in the Soviet Union helping the Soviets to set up successful industries. This did not diminish the esteem with which Hammer was held by the American elite. Al Gore Sr. was an employee of Hammer, and Hammer encouraged Al Gore Jr. to run for President in 1988. Hammer was also a generous donor to the Republican Party.
7. Franklin Roosevelt admired Josef Stalin, whom he affectionately called "Uncle Joe". A recent book by the historian, Susan Butler, claims that FDR had a closer relationship with Josef Stalin than he had with Winston Churchill:
http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/Book-Reviews/2015/0305/Roosevelt-and-Stalin-details-the-surprisingly-warm-relationship-of-an-unlikely-duo
8. The most shocking fact of all. On 5 December 1949, an American military officer, Major George Racey Jordan, testified that FDR's right-hand man, Harry Hopkins, transferred nuclear materials to the Soviet Union. Major Jordan was in charge of handling the lend-lease operations, which transferred American military equipment to the Soviet Union.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Racey_Jordan
9. Massive transfers of American technology to the Soviet Union by American corporations continued after World War Two. American technology helped the Soviets to put Sputnik into space. The US prevented the Soviet Union from suffering mass starvation, by transferring massive amounts of grain under the so-called grain credits. It was only under Reagan that these massive technology transfers came to an end. But the farming lobby ensured that the grain credits, where the Soviets were fed by American farmers, continued to operate.
“”Corporatism” (aka Crony Capitalism) is a variation of Marxism where the government controls the economy while the means of production and delivery remains in private hands.”
Actually, that’s called fascism. Just because some folks are trying to rebrand “fascism” as “corporatism” (and it is communists doing the rebranding) doesn’t magically make all corporations fascist. You’ve simply fallen for the propaganda.
No, elected officials, appointed officials, and government employees took care of that job with great zeal.
If the person is uncomfortable, they aren’t a Conservative.
No, corporatism is fascism. I get the terms.
The problem is that corporatism is being misportrayed as free market capitalism. Like the propaganda about Obamacare (classic corporatism/fascism) being a market-based center-right solution.
>>Sutton did some fine work as a historian, but he eventually got carried away into thinking that conspiracies were the driving force of history.
You are thinking of Sutton’s scholarly and amply footnoted “Wall St. and the Rise of Hitler?” Show me where he gets his facts wrong. You ever hear of the CFR, the 40 Committee, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderburg Conference, the Davos Forum, the Mt. Pelerin Society, the Club of Rome, The Coefficients Club, the Round Table, Chatham House, the Clivedon Set, the Rhodes Trust, ...?
“The problem is that corporatism is being misportrayed as free market capitalism.”
Actually the communists have been portraying capitalism as corporatism, especially since the whole “Occupy” movement. It’s their strategy to convince Americans to abandon capitalism in favor of communism, and it is working pretty well, if even FReepers are falling for it.
This is nothing new, except that commies used to call capitalists “fascists” instead of “corporatists”. Same old tricks, new lingo.
Armand Hammer was supposedly a major facilitator of the sale of confiscated precious jewels, Faberge objects and similar items on behalf of Lenin. Hammer got a commission but the bulk of the money went back to Lenin to keep the revolution going and help the new Soviet Union financially.
Correct. I tend to be precise as possible (but often imperfect) in my language. I’m a free market capitalist. Everything else is just a form of authoritarian economic oppression.
Watching how SOME of America’s global corporations act today, I would say most are a disloyal detriment to the country, politically, socially and economically. Some of these Marxist/fascist CEO’s need a good kicking in the teeth. There are more of us than there are of them and they should try and stay on our good side instead of kicking us around like serfs.
I am not anti-capitalism. I am anti global fascism.
I grant that the world is awash in competing conspiracies, plots, and secret dealings, most of which are poorly recorded and dimly understood by history. Yet they are rarely an independent motive force and commonly act as arrangers and artificers at the margins of great events and large forces. American corporations simply did not -- and could not -- create communism and install it in power in Russia.
Moreover, in politics, conspiracy mongering tends to produce a toxic environment in which the focus is on personalities instead of policy issues. Indeed, in the practical politics of campaigns and elections, conspiracy minded types tend to be time wasting nuisances.
My point is that conspiracy mongers are on to something and we need to investigate openly and above board to understand the control lines and policy impacts that these globalist Bilderburger type cabals create and enforce. Why do they meet? Why are their meetings highly secretive with insane amounts of security? Who was the “Liberal Eastern Establishment” that the John Birch Society preached against almost as much as they preached against communism? For years J. Edgar Hoover refused to acknowledge that such a thing as the Italian Mafia existed. That sort of blindness and dark operations is what I’m talking about.
No, I am referring to Sutton’s book arguing that Yale’s Skull and Bones society more or less ran the US government and to his writings asserting that in the 70s and 80s, US bankers and businessmen deliberately boosted the Soviet economy and military strength.
I grant that the world is awash in competing conspiracies, plots, and secret dealings, most of which are poorly recorded and dimly understood by history. Yet they are rarely an independent motive force and commonly act as arrangers and artificers at the margins of great events and large forces. American corporations simply did not — and could not — create communism and install it in power in Russia.
Moreover, in politics, conspiracy mongering tends to produce a toxic environment in which the focus is on personalities instead of policy issues. Indeed, in the practical politics of campaigns and elections, conspiracy minded types tend to be time wasting nuisances.
Just what conspiracy is it that you think secretly runs the world? The Bilderbergers? The CFR? The Trilateral Commission? Or maybe it is Skull and Bones? Or all or some combination of them or others working together?
And how has the master conspiracy outlived its original members and fended off internal divisions and adversaries and rivals over the years? How has it prevented persuasive testimony and other evidence from coming to light?
Moreover, what proof are you looking for? Gobs of security when important, wealthy, and prominent people gather together does not amount to proof because such security can be found at the Superbowl or the Masters and in any major capital city. Neither are wild, unsupported allegations proof. In my experience, such claims are an invitation to waste time and to lose focus on concrete issues.
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