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LIVE THREAD: CBS Republican Presidential Debate - 02/13/16 @ 9PM (EST)
CBS News ^ | 02/13/2016 | CBS News

Posted on 02/13/2016 4:37:06 PM PST by PJBankard

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2016debates; cbsfeb13debate; debate; feb13debate; gopdebate; livecbsgopdebate; livescgopdebate; sc2016
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To: gleeaikin

No, he tried to kill the previous President of the US.


3,201 posted on 02/14/2016 1:52:50 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: kygolfman; All

Yes, Trump’s book was written in 1987. Trumps concern was for people who talked such a good game they convinced people, but did not necessarily have strong follow-through. On the next page, I see a great quote: “The point is that you can dream great dreams, but they’ll never amount to much if you can’t turn them into reality at a reasonable cost.” He certainly followed that principle in NH where his votes were a real bargain compared with other candidates.


3,202 posted on 02/14/2016 1:55:14 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
The opinion of many was that the war was fought because “He tried to kill my Daddy."-Bush. And to make lots of money for VP Cheney who, if I recall correctly, had about $23 million in Halliburton stock.

And it was the opinion of many more that the war was fought to fight Al Qaeda over there instead of fighting over here. Many believed that Saddam was providing a safe haven for Al Qaeda to train, including mock-ups of airline fuselages. Let Iraq be the magnet where Al Qaeda concentrates to fight us.

I believed that we killed Osama bin Laden in Tora Bora, but I guess he did escape when we granted them a 12-hour humanitarian ceasefire.

-PJ

3,203 posted on 02/14/2016 1:58:33 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

Well, but that’s the point: unless they ship it via pipeline, the little piddly amounts they can ship by truck are meaningless. And, the locals who get it are going to have to be 100% in with us. It’s been done before.


3,204 posted on 02/14/2016 2:01:31 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Jim 0216; Vermont Lt
there WERE no WMD's when Bush made his wrong-headed decision to invade Iraq

From CIA:

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/index.html

3,205 posted on 02/14/2016 2:11:07 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: wmfights
It will be the first election we sit out since we were of legal age to vote."""""""""....

Me too....I will not vote for that Maniac who needs to be in a straight jacket while in a debate.

3,206 posted on 02/14/2016 2:14:10 PM PST by annieokie
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To: jospehm20

There is no need for him to do that, silly. Ted Cruz for President of these already Great United States of America, and Ted Cruz being an American Citizen has made it even greater.


3,207 posted on 02/14/2016 2:15:51 PM PST by annieokie
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Summary? Point?


3,208 posted on 02/14/2016 2:18:16 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

I disagree. The priority should be to get rid of the 16th. period. Anything less is just marginal.

Tracking on the same Sanders course will guarantee high VAT, high sales taxes AND high marginal income tax rates.


3,209 posted on 02/14/2016 2:32:19 PM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: annieokie

You know I like Cruz, so far, but he needs to get a definitive ruling by a federal court on whether he’ a natural born citizen. His hesitancy to do so speaks to me of his concern for being DQ’d before he has a chance to win. It also appears that he hopes if he wins the nomination that would give weight to a ruling in his favor if challenged. But that is a gamble not just for himself but for the whole election and for those of us who love America and want to see her recover.

Cruz should show us his good faith in putting America before his own political prospects by selflessly putting the issue before a federal court. He should have had this put to bed a long time ago. The longer he waits the more I distrust him and his motives.


3,210 posted on 02/14/2016 2:34:57 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: LS

Defending 100% of a pipeline 24/7 isn’t easy, especially with all those ranged munitions in the area. Based on the regions recent history I’m not sure its possible even with massive US ground presence. Too many hate us there and would be willing to die to attack ‘our’ oil. So long as it’s ‘their’ oil they’ll let it flow and use the revenues against us. And even if it were remotely possible, defending that possibility would be a yuge political negative for Trump. The public doesn’t trust those locals to work with us and it certainly doesn’t want us back there on any non-lethal missions. I don’t understand why no one has called him on it.


3,211 posted on 02/14/2016 2:36:51 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Changed)
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To: fooman
My comment, We should not be talking about a national sales tax (NST) until the 16A is repealed...

Your reply, I disagree. The priority should be to get rid of the 16th. period. Anything less is just marginal.

??

3,212 posted on 02/14/2016 2:38:52 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

I dont think Cruz is talking about a VAT. This is being used to smear him, as he wants a national sales tax.

The national sales tax incentives retail production instead of retail consumption.

If we give up on repealing the 16th amendment, it is all over. We will continue to import welfare cases, the socialists will take over and everything moves will taxed. A VAT will be included to pay for the ‘free’ college.

The retail sales tax also has the feature of broadening the tax base, including illegals who drink cerveza.

As far as Trump goes, I am ok with hedge fund managers paying on income instead of on cap gains. But it wont stop there- we would likely end up with FDR style brackets again and ‘shelters’. Remember the original 1913 income tax was only for the ‘rich’. Today that would translate to only those who make millions per year.

Of course, once the premise of income tax was accepted, we got withholding from FDR and lower brackets. Then it was off to the races for government intrusion.


3,213 posted on 02/14/2016 2:52:11 PM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Jim 0216
Follow the green line. Would have to do an inflation conversion, but 500K in 1913 is millions today, maybe 5 million (would have to do an inflation adjustment)
3,214 posted on 02/14/2016 2:58:42 PM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: fooman

You mean some people make a hundred thousand a year?


3,215 posted on 02/14/2016 3:03:12 PM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: Steven Tyler
That for Cruz supporters, any “MEANS” justify their desired end result

As opposed to Trump supporters flushing conservatism, or worse, trying to redefine it.

"I think it's a person that wants to -- in terms of government I'm talking about -- a person that wants to conserve, a person that wants to, in a financial sense, balance budgets, a person that feels strongly about the military. And I feel very strongly about the military.

3,216 posted on 02/14/2016 3:04:35 PM PST by Fundamentally Fair (Is that just what you have written on your "What Trump Means to Me" chalkboard?)
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To: Big Horn

lol. If I had it my way, 90% of Americans would make over 250K per year and we would all have a much higher standard of living...


3,217 posted on 02/14/2016 3:05:46 PM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: fooman
The national sales tax incentives retail production instead of retail consumption.

First of all a free people don't want the government to use tax to "incentive" anything. The best incentive is freedom from government interference and coercion.

Secondly, a "national sales tax" (NST) should be limited to the final customer purchases at the cash register. Anything else especially upstream form the final purchase is VAT and "incentives" undue government intrusion and interference as well as more hidden tax. So you need to do away with the terminology of "production" as well as "consumption" and until the 16A is repealed, the whole discussion of NST.

3,218 posted on 02/14/2016 3:06:52 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

No. Production and consumption at the retail level is the essential element in an economic sense.

Unless the tax paying base is broadened and production is encouraged, we end up 94 million americans not working and over 50 million on food stamps.

50% of the population pay no federal income tax. There is a real danger of the system collapsing if we do not significantly broaden the tax paying base.

Eventually, the producers ‘Go Galt’ and we have big problems like Greece.


3,219 posted on 02/14/2016 3:11:43 PM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

Again, you’re making his point. You/we don’t have to defend it. If the pipeline is blown up, ISIS gets none of it. Either way, we win.


3,220 posted on 02/14/2016 3:12:10 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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